Buzz Out Loud 745: Spit to spam to Spain Video
Buzz Out Loud 745: Spit to spam to Spain Video Transcript
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>> It's Friday, June 13th, 2008.
>> I'm Molly Wood.
>> I'm Tom Merritt.
>> I'm Jason Howell.
>> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud. CNET's Podcast's indeterminate length of this episode is at 7:45 in Friday the 13th so you can expect everything to go horribly arise by now.
>> Lucky day.
>> Lightly scary.
>> Okay.
>> Horribly right.
>> I don't think it's my best day.
>> It is?
>> Lucky day.
>> And number 13 was always my lucky number when I was a kid.
>> You liars.
>> Black cats crossing my path and everything? [ Laughter ]
>> What? Lucky day for somebody in this deal but we're not sure who. Yesterday--
>> Analyst.
>> Yeah.
>> Analyst.
>> Yeah, I guess.
>> Yes, lucky day for newspeople.
>> Yeah.
>> Yahoo said they've broken up talks with Microsoft in any kind of acquisition even the small stake and that gave them the freedom to go side deal with Google.
>> Over. It is over and they're hooked up with Google and that is the end of it. They will be dating Google and only Google from now on.
>> Let's introduce something here. Front page of the San Francisco Chronicle this morning which sound like, wow. I guess I mean it is pretty big deal.
>> With logo?
>> But at the same time what they're doing is putting AdSense on parts of their site.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean.
>> It's not--
>> I know that's over simplifying it--
>> Right.
>> But not really.
>> Well also it isn't that big deal in the sense that it certainly is not saving Yahoo like their shares thanked yesterday, they thanked the foreigner, and they're thanking Today even Post--
>> Uhmm.
>> At least they were the last I heard.
>> What was that--
>> Even after this announcement--
>> They expect an infusion of what, 800 million in cash based on this deal?
>> Yeah.
>> And Google has a bunch of ouch if they don't make 83 billion or nothing.
>> We'll do yeah, yeah.
>> Google has basically a threshold right there--
>> Yeah. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> They have to make 83 million or else they're free. They absorbed an umbrella. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> There's also a change of control clause.
>> Uhmm.
>> If anybody comes in and takes control of Yahoo, then there's a 250-million dollar fee to cancel the contract as a result of change of control?
>> Right.
>> I think I've got the number right? What do I read on paid content what really interesting is that there are certain companies' names that don't need to even get 50 percent. If Microsoft gets as little as 5 percent of Yahoo that could be considered change of control and--
>> Oh, really, wow.
>> They got to pay the 250 million.
>> Well, the funny thing to is that analysts now are saying as a result of basically the existence of the change of control clause, which is actually pretty standard when you enter into agreement that even though Yahoo said the Microsoft thing is dead, it's probably not like dead, dead, dead because there's still that change of control clause so there's still some possibility that they might still comeback especially because I can.
>> Uhmm...uhmm...uhmm.
>> I know.
>> This is the Yahoo-Microsoft story.
>> Right. [ Laughter ]
>> Great.
>> Not staying down. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> But Icahn is not happy...like this is not enough for him.
>> Carl Icahn.
>> Yeah Carl Icahn and so he is probably--
>> Not I can.
>> Not gonna go away. I know I called him I can for a second.
>> But I didn't mean it.
>> But I don't think he is gonna go as a result of this because the Google, it sounds to me too, like the Google deal is messy like there might still, I mean there must be some serious sort of anti-trust things that they have to overcome.
>> Uhmm.
>> Before they can even put in their place and they may not get approval; like the DOJ's, from what I've heard, looking into it.
>> But if does go forward and Yahoo gets used to this kind of revenue stream, it's harder for them to then break away, right?
>> Revenue?
>> Revenue. Sorry. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> I knew you're gonna do that.
>> But if once if they get used to that, it's really hard for them to then break away from that, right? So they're kind of like locked into vein of Google at that point.
>> Yeah.
>> Absolutely. Let see. I looked at--
>> Well, it's not. Just some people know. It's not AdSense on the entire Yahoo--all of the Yahoo properties, it's--
>> Yeah, no.
>> Just a certain part of their site. I mean, honestly, I should have put out a big press release when I put AdSense on my blog. [ Laughter ]
>> It's essentially the same thing.
>> They just have a much bigger audience.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's very true. The Chronicle does note that since Google is the number one search engine and Yahoo is number two, even though a distant number two--it does raise serious anti-trust concerns and attorneys are observing from the outside expected deal to get a tough regulatory review by the Department of Justice, so--
>> And--
>> You know.
>> Google is already anticipating this in their release on the official Google blog at googleblog.blogspot.com they say, "It's important to say what this agreement is not, this is not a merger. This does not remove a competitor from the playing field. This does not prevent Yahoo from making similar arrangements with others. This does not increase Google's share of search traffic. This does not like Google raise prices for advertisers".
>> Blah, blah, blah.
>> They are already anticipating a lot of the anti-trust arguments.
>> Right.
>> They're trying to come back down here.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> Also just hilarious if you compare Google's press release which has bullet points.
>> Which is so easy. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Conversationalists.
>> Let's say Yahoo.
>> The headlines are an agreement to provide ad technology to Yahoo.
>> If you go to Yahoo's release. It's like a standard--
>> Oh men.
>> Press release written in jargon. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Yahoo is to strengthen competitive position and online advertising--
>> Very hard to read.
>> Through non-exclusive agreement with Google? Yeah, that's true.
>> Google wants you to understand what's going on here. Yahoo doesn't know what it was.
>> Yeah, yeah. They got a little corporate thing going on with agreement for my detractive economics and also enhanced search monetization. [ Whispering ]
>> Anyway that's about all the outstanding business and that's all we have on that for the moment. So apparently MySpace is getting a redesign which is hinting at some new features like, Yehey, they gonna prioritize their karaoke thing that they are [unintelligible].
>> Well--
>> Don't do it again.
>> Once that we figured it out 'cause wired has a story listed as a leak.
>> Yeah.
>> But then Caroline McCarthy has the same screen shots it looks like as just the story like not as a big leak but that, you know, they got a look.
>> Now, yeah.
>> At, you know, what it's gonna look like, sort of--
>> Maybe she got a scoop.
>> It's not exactly what it's gonna be when they re-launched the design because they're gonna have a big advertiser apparently. That's going to take over the site. That's the rumor--
>> Oh, really?
>> Of why they've been keeping this under wraps for so long.
>> Oh.
>> So I imagine it's gonna look a tiny bit different.
>> Uhmm.
>> With some sort of advertiser thing but there is a concurrent story about comScore saying that Facebook is now even with MySpace in total number of users.
>> Yeah.
>> MySpace is still in front in the United States--
>> Yeah, for the first time.
>> But Facebook is now worldwide that even with MySpace and of course people are assuming that since that data is a little bit old, that by now, Facebook has probably passed MySpace.
>> Right.
>> And MySpace has really, really been hard to use in some ways.
>> Yeah.
>> Uhmm.
>> I can't believe it's taken this long to do a total overhaul, I mean--
>> Yeah, complete overhaul.
>> They did some sort of site. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Recently, a couple of months ago, a lot of like the interface carried the--
>> No.
>> Kind of landing play to page for user's change a little bit.
>> Well, there are now.
>> O, oh.
>> To get a sneak peek at what kind of advertising take overs you might be able to expect.
>> And their pages are always filled with advertisers. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Yes.
>> Oh, yes.
>> Like a big old movie as [inaudible].
>> The look.
>> And yeah, wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, that's Superman, right?
>> That's the Incredible Hulk. [ Laughter ]
>> Busting through the content that they are trying to-- [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> For the content that you look like. There is a whole background and then the movie keeps playing like the trailer for the whole keeps playing after his burst through onto the entire page.
>> I only burst through once though; you will refresh you don't get it again.
>> Whoa.
>> They are willing to sell out. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> So.
>> Now if you look at Caroline McCarthy's article, down at the bottom, one of the music search pages, does that not look to you quite similar to Facebook?
>> The music search thing?
>> The blue one down at the very bottom of webword.com story.
>> Oh, I thought I was just about to say like oh know I think that's the Facebook recently.
>> Aha.
>> Ow, wow.
>> That looks very Facebook.
>> That looks just like this book, oh. Interesting, we will see.
>> All right, so yeah.
>> The rest of it looks like an orange though. That's strange--
>> Recalled.
>> Available on MySpace TV player which they say is the competitor to YouTube.
>> They had the video--
>> They had that.
>> For a while but now it looks sleeker.
>> Yeah.
>> Sleek koi.
>> Sleek koi.
>> We called Facebook. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> We called Facebook as the next MySpace. So who is the next Facebook?
>> We did.
>> You still count on Bebo?
>> The Bebo.
>> Really.
>> Worldwide Bebo is still huge.
>> Still.
>> Yeah.
>> They're huge.
>> No.
>> Plus they have an arello [phonetic].
>> No, I know, I know.
>> Doesn't seem to be getting more buzz about them though.
>> I know, not in the US. They're definitely not the next--
>> Yeah.
>> The next, well I mean you have to wonder if it is even gonna be a complete social networker like FriendFeed is the next Facebook.
>> Right.
>> You know.
>> Uhmm. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Is a good point.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm paid.
>> A FriendFeed
>> Like I.
>> That's what people say?
>> No.
>> Actually, saw this video--
>> Who are those people?
>> This video from called a 'twitter whore' where she has FriendFeed in that voice that's like, you know, you know like, not bad.
>> Wow. Geez.
>> Yeah.
>> Anyway, I think that the excuse, I actually think--
>> Annoying at the same time.
>> I think the walled garden and social network is over. I think the idea that you only belong to one and that's where you are and that's where all your friends are and so I think that's totally done and it's gonna be all about aggregating the different sort of media approach.
>> Uhmm.
>> So things right now actually I've been using FriendFeed because I went then and it's really hard but--
>> My problem with FriendFeed is I don't use it.
>> Uhmm.
>> It aggregates everything. So I never go there.
>> Uhmm.
>> I always--
>> Where does it aggregate to?
>> Well it aggregates to it. Let's call it jaiku [phonetic] in that respect. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> In other words, you can play your Twigger in there, in your lastfm and your del.icio.us in there and all of that stuff.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> And then you can have friends on FriendFeed but because it's taking it only from the places, I never actually post on FriendFeed.
>> Oh, well, yeah.
>> I just like it aggregate so I never actually go to FriendFeed.
>> There will have to be some middle ground, well I guess maybe there will still be a wall that a play an interface.
>> I don't, look--there'll be multiple places that you can post to plerck.
>> Yeah.
>> Come as along now and--
>> Then I think what you're gonna have ultimately is just to customize home page, right. Like you're gonna have your customized page that you go to where there is all your stuff and that's where you post to Tutor and that's where you post to jaiku and where you post like the posting interface.
>> That's where you're supposed to use FriendFeed for.
>> Uhmm.
>> I think, will eventually be--
>> That's where you're supposed to use this FriendFeed for but I don't.
>> Oh, you don't.
>> I don't.
>> I just open everything in tabs.
>> Well that's because you're old.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's because I'm a pervert.
>> You're so lost here.
>> That's because you're pervert.
>> All right.
>> If you want a pervert you'd use FriendFeed, right?
>> Metallica has retracted.
>> Yeah. This is interesting. There's a little update the other day we talked about Metallica, apparently, what we knew then was that they had apparently--there were some bloggers invited to go and hear some unreleased albums or cuts from Metallica's new album. They blogged about it and then Metallica's management came and said, "Oh you have to take all those stories down" and really like what that's crazy Metallica horrible. Metallica said "dude we're out of town".
>> We didn't know this was going on.
>> And we came back and we were informed this is according to the metallica.com blog. We were on tour in Europe, when we came back we were informed that someone at Q Prime, our managers, had may the error of asking a few publications to take down reviews of the rough mixes from the new record that were posted on their sites. Our response was why! Why take down mostly positive reviews of the new material and prevent people from getting site about the next record. That makes no sense to us.
>> Absolutely.
>> So they say they went through a few rounds of managerial year spunk, aha! And says everyone at Q Prime to 20 push ups and then.
>> Playing that's all, I mean.
>> Yeah.
>> Come on.
>> When then they--
>> Tell you're seeing the management though?
>> Yeah.
>> No I haven't, actually.
>> Big ears.
>> Big ears and fat arms. Twenty push ups are lot for them.
>> Oh it was like, I don't understand what's you're saying. But I have a mental caricature in my head that is hilarious. Anyway now they're linking to the sites that had--
>> Yeah! And I mean you go those sites and read the reviews and they're pretty good reviews--
>> They are all positive.
>> I mean, it's not like they're trashing the material at all. They are all about it.
>> Yup.
>> You know so I don't know why you would want to take that out of the blogosphere and say, "Don't read these positive reviews about our next album".
>> Yeah.
>> Go get site about our music please like--
>> [Inaudible] Microsoft, Metallica says that...they say that was their response but you gotta figure, with their managers felt like the thing that Metallica would want them to do.
>> Right.
>> What's called big bloggers and say take the sound like...I think that the adversarial relationship.
>> And culture foster.
>> Yes.
>> Exactly.
>> A learned response.
>> It is a learned response. It was [inaudible].
>> Uhmm.
>> Speaking of old man, if you look at the pictures of them on top of their website, do not flatter them.
>> Yeah you know like--
>> It's used to be called the "just look rough" when you were young, now its--
>> Now when you're old it's a little, although really still--
>> Oh, who might have thought?
>> They got nothing on the Rolling Stones.
>> They got...yeah. I don't like radio.
>> It's true.
>> Come on. So that.
>> It was that late last night.
>> Each one of them looks like the crypts keeper like the more time they spend together the more they're starting to look like each other and then they all-- [ Simultaneous Talking] [ Laughter ]
>> I don't know they have one among of them and talk, "Hey that's the one. No it's not, it's the other one. No.
>> It's one of those ones.
>> I don't know that one. He looks like just like the other ones.
>> Exactly a mummy.
>> It's a mummy.
>> It's not a member of the Rolling Stones at all.
>> Yeah.
>> Modchips have been declared legal in the UK, rejoice!
>> Oh!
>> I know.
>> Citizens of the queen, subjects I should say rather.
>> An Appeals court has overturned the Lower court ruling and has now said that modchips do not violate copyright laws, cuthing! And the Appeals court has dismissed all the charges against the modchips seller who had imported modchips for Xbox from Hong Kong and then he would sell the chips from MyView Xbox as himself.
>> Just found this on Slash Today via TechDirt.
>> Yeah.
>> So I guess what they're saying is the sale of modchips. The import and sale of modchips is perfectly legal.
>> Uhmm.
>> Yeah.
>> Now what you do with them might still be illegal.
>> In the US, on the other hand.
>> Right.
>> The TechDirt points out that the Federal officials have taken up the cause of cracking down on modchips. They had fined them and then even claimed that modchipping at one point day claimed was a national security issue.
>> Yeah what...what is that all about?
>> I don't know. TechDirt. I would dig a little deeper on this on our off time because TechDirt only links to TechDirt and then they are notoriously inflammatory in the rating.
>> I have heard the national security issue.
>> I've heard that.
>> Also that's the TechDirt thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean.
>> Super Mario was a terrorist.
>> Well no. A sort of like if you break the encryption and that could fall in the hands of the bad people and then they make or break other encryption based on that, that's a pretty long and tenuous argument about encryption breaking.
>> Comes from the DMCA...
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, but don't forget, I think in the UK, it's still against the law too and French copy right? It's not just against the law to mod your own console.
>> Right.
>> Uhmm.
>> What you do after you mod the console though could still get you in trouble.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Going back one story actually--SPIT according to a team of German Computer Scientists will be worse than spam. I would much rather eat spam than get spit on but that's not what we're talking about.
>> It's not a nice word.
>> We're talking about.
>> What. What is the acronym stand for?
>> Spam Over Internet Telephony.
>> So spam is inside the acronym sort of thing but yeah, okay imagine a world where everything is now IP, right? IP telephony.
>> Uhmm.
>> And anybody can just send out small voice messages the same way they send out spam. So with spam they go through and they just guess E-mail addresses. They go through and they send out these messages guessing phone numbers to every phone number that exists and so you sit there and maybe it's the phone ringing or maybe it's not. Maybe you're just getting voice mails filling up your box full of this like, "Hey you know get a mortgage, refinance or I'm lonely come visit my website".
>> Lisa Manson.
>> Presents.
>> Right now, it's kind of this on the academic stage like they're basically saying this sort of spam is set to become the next great problem and the ways to intercept it and deal with it are so much different from dealing with this junk mail and junk E-mail.
>> Yeah.
>> That they have to kind of engineer these solutions [unintelligible] and so in the meantime they say it might be a problem but--
>> Yeah I mean it kinda seems like your cold arms kinda like, you know, if we don't act now about this--
>> They start bugging people.
>> With ways to defend against these and it could be a big problem. I don't know if it's ever going to be as bigger problem as spam.
>> Why not.
>> Which are arriving in your mail box. I guess 'coz I don't--
>> What's the [inaudible] that have many people to have E-mail having--
>> I know.
>> Internet telephony.
>> I think eventually though.
>> Well yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I think...I think there's a problem of rule out right now.
>> Right, right know obviously.
>> It's just kind of fiction right?
>> The percentage is [inaudible].
>> But I actually think that this to me feels similar like a couple of years ago they said you're all gonna get inundated with text message spam and that's gonna be the next new thing and basically consumers were like.
>> No.
>> AT double toothpick no; like the minute that that happens I will cancel my plan. I mean spam only works because consumers find it to be something that can deal with it. It only works because of enough people actually click on it to make it viable but if people just flat out revolt it, right. If they were just like you are no way are you gonna call me at 4 a.m. on my Skype line.
>> Hmm.
>> And try to sell me something like no ways that I ever gonna work on anybody. I feel like there are certain lines that can't be--
>> That can't be processed, that won't be processed.
>> Crossed in marketing just because at some point consumers are like no!
>> Right.
>> I think the cellphone companies stepped in on text spam too because they are so got their networks so locked down.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> They can see if someone sending massive amounts of text on an unlimited account and shut them down. They will shut them down.
>> Right.
>> So that prevents it too?
>> I mean of course on an unlimited account somebody is paying for each of those spams. [ Simultaneously Talking ]
>> So if IP telephony--
>> There's enough for the consumers.
>> So there's enough if they're consumerable. Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> So IP telephony where you have to pay to send your voice mails would have the same built-in natural protection.
>> Uhmm.
>> Yeah.
>> But IP telephony where it's Skype-free; I wanted to know your user name, I'll call you.
>> But look what have telemarketing. I mean when things get to the point where they're so annoying to the consumer, it's considered unacceptable then you have a whole different, you know we have the federal like CAN-SPAM Act then.
>> Uhmm.
>> Uhmm.
>> And yes it's technically hard to stop spams but there hasn't been the same...the enforcement of the CAN-SPAM Act has always been kind of laughable but the do not call us--there's no messing around.
>> You don't think it's easier to enforce the do not call us than the e-mail?
>> It's probably technically easier.
>> Because e-mail is absolutely no cost to send.
>> Right.
>> Essentially.
>> I think it's technically easier but there have been complains for years that the government did not enforce the CAN-SPAM Act that it was a joke, that it had no teeth, that it was, you know, it was un-funded mandate.
>> Uhmm.
>> But the do not call us has more gravity. I think, it has more weight because the level of consumer annoyance is so much higher.
>> Uhmm.
>> The CAN-SPAM Act also only works for people who play by the rules.
>> Yeah.
>> And so you get people outside of the United States sending spam from overseas or masking their IP addresses then people like CNET or TechTV when I worked there, we had to like bend over backwards to put in and address our e-mail we sent in and so yeah, it was flawed from the beginning, for sure.
>> Although, apparently, they have started to do, I mean they got that spam king guy.
>> Yeah.
>> And he was--
>> They dethrone him.
>> All the servers all over the place.
>> We go from SPIT to SPAM to Spain. Two children have been admitted to a mental health institution to be treated for addiction to their mobile phones.
>> Ow! That is sad and weird.
>> Children age 12 and 13. It was affecting their school work. They were getting frustrated and irritated when they were away from their phones; all the classic signs of being--
>> Addiction.
>> Compulsively obsessed with something.
>> And in this case it was a cellphone.
>> That is crazy, 12 and 13 years old. Ow!
>> Like a so much surprise. I mean people get addicted to their computers and being online all the time and stuff like any time you're connected to something.
>> Yeah.
>> Video games.
>> It's a communication device so it's.
>> There have been more and more of these stories too. Think about people becoming dangerously addicted to technology and we have the tendency to pooh-pooh it but I don't think we should. I mean I think it is--
>> Uhmm.
>> Once anything becomes so inextricably part of your daily lives and there are always dangers.
>> Well I think that's the key here right? It's not technology per se.
>> Uhmm.
>> It's just that how, you know, we have more things now and more people--
>> Yeah.
>> That will draw us in to your daily life.
>> I know, totally. In shocking news of the day, Universal has decided that it will appeal the ruling that found that you are in fact allowed to resale your promotional CDs because apparently this is like that big of an issue. The Universal, after being ruled against is gonna appeal like say, "Oh! No, we're confident that we're gonna prevail that in fact our sticker that says you can not resale this has the weight of law". I just was shock with this. I don't know why I was shock but I was like "Really! You're gonna appeal like do you lose that much money. Won't you just stop selling the promotional CDs. Who's even doing that?"
>> Yeah. [Laughter]
>> I mean can't you just e-mail the radio station, [simultaneous talking].
>> Yeah, this problem. This problem's gonna go away. [Laughter]
>> Like while they are still in court over it.
>> Actually I was like when you first--really, I'm shock. I'm in quite of shock.
>> Of course they're gonna appeal, that's--I mean that's who they are. That's what they do. Of course, they're going to appeal this, but yeah, it's sort of knowledge put us that way.
>> Because I'm not an issue.
>> But why you would appeal it when you know like you're just gonna stop sending out CDs.
>> Why bother? Yeah, just stop sending them.
>> So, what does that mean then? Do they then get to the point to where they're sending files but like their own proprietary DRM files. You know what I mean? So, like Universal has their own DRM for their file that you have access to--
>> Probably not.
>> Or whether they give it to you?
>> No. Just use free online previous for crying out loud.
>> That's the crazy thing is they're selling unDRM MP3s on line.
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Why are they working [laughter] stop this
>> You have a promotional vehicle is called the internet, like--
>> Yeah.
>> And you can get radio stations copies of music with that--I just think this is the weirdest battle for them to still be fighting like in a pick-your-battles kinda--
>> Right.
>> Bumper sticker world. Why would they pick this one?
>> I need your reactions that say.
>> Yes.
>> All right, car geek.
>> Awesome! Next stop: Awesome. So [laughter], okay this company in the Netherlands is working on technology, gaming technology that will--its mostly--because it's the Netherlands, it focus on Formula run 1 right now. But they have developed this system that sucks in real time GPS data from racing events like car racing event and pumps it out to compatible game consuls and PCs, so that you on your little racing game at home can actually be racing--
>> Along with them?
>> Against Formula 1 drivers.
>> No kidding?
>> Ah--sweet! It would be like--if when we're bowling like, you know, or in we're baseball, you're getting the real--you were playing and then it was sucking a real time stuff from like Manny [phonetics].
>> Is that good?
>> Yes.
>> How? I mean, won't you just get good.
>> Was not good. No. [Laughter] That would be the most awesome part.
>> That will raise your standard. It will raise your bar.
>> 'Cause you're so much.
>> You'll get better.
>> Yeah. [Laughter] You have--you're so much artificially better like you get hit, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> You know if you're getting good enough. [Simultaneous talking]
>> All right 'cause you're not actually racing.
>> 'Cause you're not actually racing.
>> So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah, it's like once you're at home with your little wheel and you're not peeing in the bag and it's not, you know, the polar from pits off [laughter] like all the crazy things that happen to a racing guys, like you're just whoa!
>> Yeah, that's cool.
>> You could win and think how awesome you would feel.
>> Yeah, although now I wouldn't feel as awesome 'cause I do know I had an unfair advantage.
>> That's not really an unfair advantage. They're still get a prior-- [ Simultaneously Talking]
>> Oh! That's really very cool.
>> Like, you know, how the computer usually beats you?
>> Right, right, right.
>> It'll be like that.
>> It's kind of a computer race.
>> Or you face something AI.
>> Yeah.
>> Where you can race your best score like in some of the racing games. You can race to ghost of your best runner or whatever.
>> Right.
>> So, doing that, it kinda like racing [laughter] the ghost of the best runner.
>> Totally.
>> That's all. I really like that.
>> In the Formula 1, that is such a rock stars overseas that I think probably just for some of them to be like oh!--like see the real data, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh! I think it's really cool.
>> We had a lot of people e-mailing us about this story. The Final Skynet Satellite has been launched. Skynet is not what you think it is. It's the UK's single biggest space venture, a communicate--military forces communication system around the globe.
>> That's what I think it is.
>> Well, it's not the Skynet you think it is. I guess I should say.
>> Yeah
>> And the last--the last satellite has been put in the place. So, or had been launched. So, as soon as it's on the place, I'm sure that it will become self aware.
>> Yeah, I would say that doom is in fact imminent at this point. I just can't believe they called it that, they really? [Laughter]
>> Yeah. It's--
>> They go, "Hey, this is so cool--like the real time data communication. So, the computers are talking with the computers.
>> It would be--
>> It's good idea.
>> It would be like putting a--like AI computer for the first time on the international space station and then saying like, "Let's call it Howell?"
>> Lets call it Howell, it's like a good name. [Laughter]
>> I don't know.
>> What do you think?
>> How many thousand?
>> Sure.
>> Yeah, yeah?
>> Why not.
>> Yeah, looks its good.
>> How funny. [Laughter]
>> It seems like there should be something like visual representation of how, maybe like a red, like a light.
>> Hey! This big space tourist rocket, let's call it Titanic.
>> Hi!
>> That's a laugh. [Laughter]
>> If they hadn't done that, we would never have talked about that just silly, this satellite.
>> Exactly, exactly.
>> Hey, it was a lot of marketing plan.
>> Yeah, sure. I know. [Laughter]
>> 'Cause the UK military needs a marketing plan?
>> Nope, they just integrate.
>> You know, they doesn't need a marketing plan, they actually needs a less publicity as poor Lauren Bernat.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, advertising executive in Florida of that name has become somewhat of a minor celebrity because of her video, her YouTube video that her boyfriend shot of her using the Wii Fit while she's in her undies.
>> It's Bernat.
>> It's entitled, "Why every guy should buy their girlfriend a Wii-Fit."
>> Lauren Bernat in New York City however is not amused because every one thinks that's her.
>> Yeah.
>> So, 2 problems, one, she's getting befriended on Facebook by people.
>> Creepies.
>> Who she doesn't know.
>> We don't know there are creepies.
>> We know there are creepies.
>> They are going out of their way to do that.
>> Also, when she goes to apply for jobs, people do a search.
>> Yes.
>> They find this video and then--
>> And then like, I just don't know if that's--
>> That's not appropriate behavior for a librarian, because she is a library science major.
>> She happens to be in a job search right now and so--
>> Like with all things true to be a librarian.
>> She's trying to touch herself.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Well, what kind of librarian are you shaking your booty on the internet?
>> So, if you wanna use this segment of Buzz Out Loud, Lauren, in your job search, please do. Lauren Bernat in New York is not the hola-hoop Lauren Bernat girl in Florida.
>> No. And all true--
>> I probably mispronounce her last name.
>> I would say by the way that hola-hoop Lauren Bernat, your boyfriend is a jerk.
>> It kinda look like he--did like she didn't know. Like--
>> Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Like you told me, camera like this and then he --
>> And then he put on YouTube. He's a jerk. You should dump him and you should send him a takedown notice.
>> Something like a takedown notice? [Laughter]
>> Librarian Bernat says this is bizarre of me because I am this normal person and to see this spot like this is not me.
>> No.
>> What do you do then? Because like she's contacting Google to trying get them to take her name away from the video but I mean--
>> Yeah.
>> Its bad, its Lauren Bernat is in the video.
>> Yep.
>> So, I mean, Lauren, where did you go? Like primarily what you do?
>> 'Cause a jerk boyfriend put her full name on it, on YouTube, on the video?
>> Yeah. Totally, like what is that all about?
>> I hate her jerk boyfriend.
>> I'm starting to wonder more and more if it was all the jerk boyfriend like don't you think she would have gotten mistaken down by now. She didn't really want us out there.
>> Well, also, she was hula-hooping in her undies but they thought maybe, well, I don't know what to say.
>> Well, I don't know.
>> She wasn't home alone.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But I usually wonder, are we going to run into this because it was we joke around about there's another Molly Wood, right?
>> Yeah.
>> That's kind of embarrassing because of what she does. I mean, not very embarrassing for her.
>> What is it about my name because there's the Molly Wood, the porn star and then mollywood.com which don't go there.
>> Aha. [Laughter]
>> Then there's other--there's Tom Merrit that--
>> And people went there.
>> The Kung fu master and then there's the Tom Merrit the rocket scientist and then we found there's another Jason Howell. And then there's Jason Howell that's an actor in Canada.
>> Right.
>> There's this baseball player Jason Howell.
>> You see, now we're all so much more connected.
>> So, yeah. I mean, are we going to have to get more distinct on names that we're gonna start to become a--have to be like a registry?
>> Well, like the main name, yeah.
>> Yeah. [ Simultaneously talking ]
>> Like, as more people are going to like--
>> Nicknames.
>> It'll be like--like I can't believe I'm gonna reference it to Top Gear [phonetics] again. But the--the equivalent of this--
>> Of course, you're obsessed then you need to go into Spain.
>> Well, they have the doctor who guy, David Tennant on--
>> Yeah. And sort of--
>> And they were talking about how the UK equivalent of the screen actor guild requires that you can't have the same name--
>> Which is like--
>> And that's why he had to change his name to David Tennant and so I wonder if--
>> Which is for all the members of SAG.
>> Which is [laughter] yeah, totally.
>> And allowed to have different names.
>> We need unique identities.
>> Yeah, at some points, names are gonna get really unique.
>> [Inaudible] ID.
>> Yeah. [Laughter]
>> I'm already Tom Merritt too on IMDb because there was already a Tom Merritt credited on something else.
>> Oh really?
>> Yeah.
>> Just think if we had an RFID to have embedded, right? And it would have everything about us like a full Google search basically about us, so that when you went in to apply for the job, they need just be like--
>> Yeah. [ Simultaneously Talking ]
>> Yeah, that's a good idea.
>> Yeah. And then it would just be like--
>> I think, serial numbers.
>> And then it would be just like all of your stuff.
>> We just need to go by our number.
>> Yeah. The serial number.
>> Yes. We've already do that. It's called the Social Security Number Jason and you just angered 3/5 of our audience.
>> Yeah, that's not good, no.
>> I need new ways.
>> We all need a number trackable by the government.
>> Yes.
>> Don't you think that's a great idea?
>> Okay. So, anyway let's move on to the more funny story because now we're trying to get. I told you guys not to go there, really chatrooms going there. Don't go there.
>> Well that's was the time amount to tell him to go there when you said don't go there. You should have said, go there and they were like, no. We're not gonna order you about law.
>> You're a bunch of children, that's what you are. [Laughter] According to Engadget, and well and it's actually on television. Steve Wozniak hacked Kathy Griffin's iPhone Jail Broker iPhone on TV and there's video.
>> We actually got an e mail from somebody who was watching it and saw it and send it to us as well.
>> It was on Bravo, what was the show?
>> Yeah it's her show, that D-List show, yeah.
>> D-List show.
>> Yeah, and you know, because their on items, so, there he goes hacking her, hacking her iPhones.
>> Oh, wait. I forgot that there were an item.
>> Right there in the back seat. [Laughter].
>> This is so cute if you go down there, there's a video.
>> iPhone, love in the back seat. [Laughter]
>> They park.
>> They have a parking and hacking.
>> I just love that hit that he was--he's basically just like, "Oh, dude, no, no, you can't be" [Singing] Let me fix that.
>> Let me fix that for you. All right. Let's move one to the voice mails, our first voice mail comes from Alex, I believe, this is Alex the kid from the chatroom.
>> Oh!
>> Ah who--
>> Hey dude.
>> Who has a message for you Molly.
>> O-oh.
>> He's got something to say to you.
>> Oh no!
>> Hi to all. Well, this is Alex, I was just listening at the episode 744 and I heard Molly talking about her issues with flash, well I said ha, ha, ha, she has issues with flash, well, thanks for her. Never heard of them. Never had them. Well, you know, it happens exactly after I finished flash out playing with my brother. I restart it. It worked fine. After about 3 more websites I visited with flash, you know, just advertising, it stopped working again. Thanks, Molly for cursing me. That's really, really just what I needed. [Laughter] I thought you people here at CNET, was, was to help me with my tech issues not give me more, Molly. Stop cursing me. Anyway, I love the show. Bye!
>> You gotta uncurse that kid.
>> I--
>> You should be solving problems. Not creating problems.
>> No curse himself with bad karma. That's all I'm saying. [Laughter] If he said, they don't like me [playing] oh and then look happen.
>> He picked up your magnetic field.
>> He brought it on himself, that's all I'm saying. You brought it on yourself with your mean little attitude about how, to me it never happened, na-na-na. Anyway--
>> It was big of him to admit that though.
>> It was big of you to admit that.
>> 'Cause that's an important stuff.
>> So in that case I will attempt to remove your curse. You should downgrade to one of the Betas and Firefox 3 'cause it all got worse with RC1 and RC2.
>> All right our next voice mail comes from an employee of Verizon with a little information about what their data plans are like.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey [inaudible]. This is Paul calling from Verizon Wireless. I'll probably go back to the explanation around the Beta services and you are asked about the iPhones. We offer a 30 dollar data plan for personal use that's totally unlimited and we have the 44.99 a month unlimited for corporate use. Corporate users are extra syncing more data than what personal users are. You're looking at contact calendar to do just all the stuff that you do with Outlook. It synced through a corporate system. Personal just gets e-mails like that so that will be a little more different than Beta usage, plus the average customer that has a corporate plan has about 10 times more e-mail that he gets than an average personal user does. So it's like the rule of averages are using actually [inaudible] and data services cost. But that's the way with Verizon though, I can't speak with AT&T, other carriers use but it seems to be about an industry standard or something like that. Keep up the great work. I love the show, bye.
>> See I think that whole calls sounds perfectly reasonable as long as you remove the words unlimited from every thing that you just said because the thing about unlimited is that it means without limits. So you can't say we have a 30 dollar unlimited plan but it doesn't include as much data as the 45 dollar unlimited plan because it's not an unlimited plan if there are limits on the amount of data that you can transfer on that plan.
>> All right.
>> That's my fundamental problem with that. I totally agree the corporate users use a lot more data and it doesn't even make--it doesn't even upset me that you would have more expensive plan for corporate users. You just can't call any of them unlimited.
>> Okay try not to slap me, I'm just gonna throw out what I think they'll probably say which I don't, let me just say right off. These are not necessarily my own views. But of course--
>> He's gotten so good at that.
>> I know.
>> So unlimited for POP and IMAP not unlimited for exchange would be I guess what they'd come back with. You have unlimited access to these types of data access.
>> If it says that. You know if it says that in the name of the plan if your own TV and you're all 30 dollars unlimited usage of IMAP and POP e-mail. It does not included doodely blah blah, it never says that.
>> 'Cause there is like, I think you admitted this already. There is a difference between the amount of data that an exchange user and enterprise user has versus so it's one thing to say like, "Okay if we know you're this type of user we're not gonna measure what you do, we're not gonna bother with it 'cause we know you're not gonna go over this amount. So just have it and we won't bother looking at it.
>> Yeah.
>> And the same thing like, "Oh if you're an enterprise user you gotta pay a few dollars more and then we won't meter." So maybe it should just be called un-metered not unlimited.
>> Maybe.
>> Would that get it? Get out what there--
>> Why can't it just be called the 30 dollar plan and the 45 plan?
>> Right because then people are gonna go well how much data do I get to use? And they're like we we're not metering it. We're not gonna measure it.
>> Right.
>> You know but if you're gonna use exchange it's by type in other words.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean I agree with you. Unlimited is the wrong word there. It implies that you have no limits.
>> And the problem--
>> 'Cause what that means.
>> Like going in all you can eat restaurant and eating as much as you can and tell you to stop.
>> What it is, yeah.
>> They can do that though. Isn't that illegal?
>> I know they can.
>> Yeah, they can. Well, it's all you can eat up to blah-blah-blah.
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
>> But then--but that's just it. All you can eat up to blah-blah-blah like my biggest problem is that it's a huge marketing thing that they talk about the unlimited plans and that it ultimately is not truthful marketing.
>> Uhmm.
>> All right, we got one voice mail about the little kit that allows you to put your SIM card out of the new iPhone 3G.
>> Hi Buzz Out Loud! This is Eric from Michigan regarding SIM removal tool. If you look at way--eBay completed auctions where an Apple first came out with the iPhone and people had issue with it. They would send people new iPhone and a box [inaudible] there. They included the official I don't know what tool which is a paper clip. Also the reasons of probably including it with the new ones, they have a lot people upgrading from the old iPhone to the new iPhone. So are there any other ways to take to move the SIM card over? All right I love the show, bye.
>> I am looking for my SIM removal card. I keep a SIM removal kit in my--
>> Good thing. I mean you never know when you're gonna need that.
>> --In my wallet.
>> You never know when you're gonna need that.
>> It used to be my palm reboot kit.
>> Does that, does that strike anyone else as lightly junky?
>> Yes, janky was the perfect word for it too. They couldn't even put on like a little Apple emblem on it, right, they just have box of paper clips.
>> Or get little late, a guitar pick looking thing like that would seem like they--
>> But we were just making fun out of them for having a kit for it yesterday so.
>> That's true and the kit that they used. Maybe they were like this and kind of junky mini kit and then everyone was like that's too much. That's wasteful and ridiculous.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't win.
>> You can't win on the internet.
>> Don't even try.
>> All right, in the forums ahh--Charlene [phonetics], I had a question about the mayoral election for the citizens of Buzztown.
>> On board stuff.
>> Ahh--if you're listening to Buzz Out Loud for the first time, that's what long time listeners refer to themselves as and then we're--we're gonna elect the mayor, but I guess the campaign is of indeterminate length.
>> Yeah, 'cause many of them are. I guess we could try to pick a date.
>> No.
>> First Tuesday after the second Monday of November.
>> Hey, there's a thought! Right?
>> Just pulling that out of the air.
>> Okay. Let's have our own, 'cause that gives us a long time to get some especial Buzz Out Loud "I voted" stickers.
>> All right, yeah. And it also gives-- [ Spontaneous Talking ]
>> And can we get that, right?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. It also gives the guys to the buzztowncenter.org, time to get back from their trip to Europe.
>> Yeah, that's the other thing.
>> Barack [phonetics] was in Europe and stuff so that gives everybody lots of time.
>> There are a lot of times.
>> So, launch your campaigns like send in your slogans. We'll see what we can do about stickers. So, what's that actual date? It's due--It will be Election Day US, which is like November 6 there, something like that?
>> Oh yeah, I don't know. I'll have to look at a calendar.
>> Anyway.
>> That would take 2 or 3 clicks.
>> We'll like post it.
>> I can't do it.
>> I mean seriously.
>> Impossible.
>> You know [simultaneous talking]. It's his own computer. He could just be like boop, boop!
>> Yeah.
>> Oh wait. Maybe here's my little date and time.
>> Oh, date and time.
>> Oh, but then I would have to click until November. Oh no, wait. Look, I have a drop down. Oh, that's handy.
>> Ahh...And on the Mac just a little ahh--little thing that doesn't work.
>> So, it looks like the fourth.
>> You guys haven't found it yet?
>> The fourth?
>> Okay.
>> The fourth.
>> November fourth.
>> Wooh, that sounds like on Election Day.
>> That sounds like on Election Day, will be the Buzztown mayoral Election Day.
>> Got an e-mail from Bryan that just says my very excellent mother just served us nothing.
>> [Laughing] I like that.
>> And then a link to ordering planets. That's the new mnemonic.
>> That's the new mnemonic.
>> Because it used to be my very excellent mother served us nine pies.
>> Yeah.
>> But now she doesn't have pies--
>> She's serving nothing.
>> So, she's serving here nothing.
>> She has gotten significantly less excellent.
>> Dave Broadbeck [phonetics] was among many other people who sent in a link to the new DMCA like copyright law that is being put into place in Canada.
>> Uhmm.
>> Canadians are up in arms not because so much Canadians are more freedom loving about copyright than Americans are, but because this copyright law even goes further than the United States DMCA.
>> Whoa! And the intercom--
>> And you should pay attention to that.
>> --isn't happy about that either. I keep having like a little DOS dialogue, popup and then go away and then that noise happen and I was like, "Oh, my goodness! I'm projecting my field."
>> Oh man.
>> Yeah. It also contains an anti-circumvention clause that they say would trump all of the new [inaudible] like there are some--there are, and this is amazing 'cause we don't have this. There are some expressly spelled out various ahmm--items.
>> Right.
>> Considerations such as you are expressly allowed to make one copy of each item being books, newspapers, periodicals, photographs, video, cassettes, and music. [ Simultaneous Talking]
>> We have our exemptions in the library of congress, but they're not like that.
>> Yeah, they're not--
>> Yeah, they're different.
>> --codified like this, but they say--The critics of the bill say that the anti-circumvention clause could trump all of those allowances because of CD and DVD makers put copy protection on the disk. Now, the TV networks attach some sort of do not record broadcast plug.
>> Uhmm.
>> But then it would totally trump the-- [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> And then you have to have a we have which is library of congress or the equivalent issuing exemption that you can circumvent copyright protection in these cases.
>> Right.
>> And only in these limited cases.
>> And then you still have Sony lawyer saying like, "Ahmm--that's not actually expressly like copying a CD like uhmm."
>> That's not at a--Well, you can copy a CD if you're a librarian, according to the exemption.
>> Right.
>> So, Lauren can do it but no [inaudible].
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And all of that whole DMCA thing is nothing compared to the secret--super secret multi national trade agreement that's being negotiated. [ Simultaneous Talking ]
>> Isn't one of the exemptions you can unlock your phone too?
>> Yeah.
>> You can break copyright protection and unlock your phone?
>> Yes.
>> Uhmm.
>> So, do you know, there's a few?
>> Yeah. Yey.
>> Thomas, the programmer from Polland said, "Tom, the theory of your cycles you've been talking about on the past 2 or 3 episodes is one of the basic theories in economics. It's called the business economic cycles and it points to a--[simultaneous talking] article.
>> Uhmm.
>> I--I--I have been too vague about my up--calling my own theory crazy here. I'm not just saying things go in cycles. I mean that's just common wisdom. [Simultaneous talking] That's common sense. There is also apparently this economic theory about cycles, but I mean that in decades like 40-year cycles, there is a cycle of law and recovery promise, turmoil, and depression and I have a blog posting that I'll throw on the show notes that details my crazy theory.
>> That's really interesting though, and in fact the business cycle or economic cycle it specifically says on Wikipedia, do not follow a purely mechanical or predictable periodic pattern unlike Tom's cycle.
>> Yeah. My crazy theory does.
>> Yeah.
>> And it says we are right now in the turmoil period and we're headed for depression.
>> Ooh!
>> Yeah, wait.
>> That means.
>> The--bummer.
>> Oh, 2020. You're in recovery.
>> Oh! Yey! Just hold out for that.
>> We got that to look forward to.
>> How does a singularity fit in?
>> Ahh...we'll see you there. You can throw these all in the whack.
>> And then finally, Alfred rode in and said, hey, uhmm--maybe it's just me, but I just viewed the poster for the Buzz Out Loud meet up tonight on--
>> That was an upcoming.
>> --on upcoming and I guess I'm a little frightened because it reminds me of the Dawn of Dead poster.
>> If you haven't gone, the upcoming of the poster as the older people like waving their arms and then in this e-mail he attached the picture of the Dawn of the Dead poster with all the people not waving their arms, but headed to you to eat your brains.
>> They're dancing [simultaneous talking]
>> At least are dancing and having fun and drinking beer.
>> Yeah, not eating brains.
>> Just because you haven't heard anything from anybody who came from--to the Buzz Out Loud meet up last night doesn't mean that we ate them.
>> We did not eat them, right? We just eat their brains.
>> I wasn't even there, I didn't eat anybody.
>> You know, Dawn of the Dead has kind of a happy dance. In the original Dawn of the Dead, there's a happy dance see--zombie scene in the mall.
>> Oh!
>> Oh!
>> Where they're kinda running around, you know.
>> See, even if we and all our followers were zombies, we'd be happy ones.
>> That's right.
>> Hey! We have been--Oh.
>> What?
>> Nothing else, then promote CNET TV, but it says dial date and said.
>> Go ahead.
>> No.
>> Okay. If you're listening to the audio version of this podcast, you can see a video version of this podcast on cnettv.com.
>> That's what I was gonna say.
>> The ahh--Buzz Out Loud video is there. But if you're like, "No, I'm watching the video on cnettv.com." You don't need to tell me that. Then, why not try one of our audio podcasts like dialed in.
>> That's why usually he does that. [ Laughter ]
>> Good one.
>> It's a podcast about cell phones. It's got Kent German, Bonnie Cha, Nicole Lee. They all talk about the latest cellphone gadgets, how to use them, tips and tricks, taking e-mails right, so check it out dial in podcast.cnet.com.
>> Good stuff. [Inaudible] another podcast, and of course all of our show notes and all the ways to contact us and maybe even our [background music] zombie as poster can all be found at our blog, bol.cnet.com.
>> See you later folks.
>> Bye.
>> See you next week. [Inaudible] ^M00:41:52 [ Music ]
Microsoft and Yahoo are dead, over, done, in the ground, and Yahoo has moved on to Google, and that's the end of it. Or is it!? Also today, spitting crosses the line, cell phones cause serious (like, for real) addiction in some Spanish teens, Metallica retracts its redaction of some blogger reviews, and MySpace is getting a new design. Phew. Finally.
