CNET Live: June 12, 2008 Video
CNET Live: June 12, 2008 Video Transcript
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>> Coming up on CNET Live, saving the Internet.
>> Well, by saving he means archiving it for future generations. Brewster Kahle is here, co-founder of the Internet Archive.
>> That's what I said--saving the Internet.
>> Sort of.
>> Plus a recap of all the new iPhone news, all that and more coming up on CNET Live. ^M00:00:23 [ Music ] ^M00:00:30
>> Hello folks here we are again welcoming you into our lives. Well, sort of, at least for a half an hour. I'm Brian Cooley, he is Dr. Tom Merritt.
>> Tom: I wish. I need to go back to school and get that PhD.
>> Brian: You're just hiding that degree--I know you are. I call him Linux boy.
>> Tom: I ordered it. It never arrived. I got that e-mail, you know.
>> Brian: I know the one. The same as my ordainment. 888900CNET; 8889002638. The phones are open. You, of course, are the star of the show but before we get going on those phones, we've got to see who is gonna handle it when you do get through.
>> Tom: That's right when you call Susie, she'll get you all set up. She's going to pick up the phone while we're out here gabbing.
>> Brian: I know Susie. Check out MBT Brian Tong. MBT Susie and Brian, the dream team.
>> Tom: All right.
>> Tom: Beautiful. You're gonna get tag teamed, then you get on the phone with us and we try to answer your call by saying have you reinstalled the firmware or rebooted.
>> Brian: You rebooted lately. All right. Before we tell you how to reboot, we're going to check out a couple of things we crave. ^M00:01:20 [ Music ] ^M00:01:26
>> Tom: These are some of our favorite things with the Crave Blog at Crave.cnet.com,
>> Brian: What are you craving?
>> Tom: Starting off with a clock.
>> Brian: Nope, that's always good. Keep us on time.
>> Tom: Now I was torn actually. There's a clock, it's an analog clock, beautiful old hands and then it wakes you up in the morning by having Stephen Frye read lines from PG Roadhouse's Jeeps [assumed spelling]. I thought that was a little too gentle to get me out of bed. This one may not work either though but it's cool, it's voice activated, it's a voice-activated alarm clock so you just say stop, and the alarm clock stops. It has a few other voice-activated functions I'm assuming snooze being one of them.
>> Brian: That's the one I want.
>> Tom: Yeah.
>> Brian: Stop is too easy.
>> Tom: Yeah well snooze is too easy too because eventually you'll learn--even with having to reach sometimes people learn how to do it without waking up.
>> Brian: Yeah it's just motor memory.
>> Tom: Maybe you can get it to like tell when your voice is awake or when you're muttering in your sleep.
>> Brian: Or when you're speaking vile obscenities at it, it knows to make sure you wake up.
>> Tom: You combine that one with the one that runs around the room. When you start shrieking at it, then it runs away.
>> Brian: With an IED that launches into your bed. I mean put all that together and you are awake.
>> Tom: It's an alarm clock. What do you do?
>> Brian: I've got the ultimate portable printer. Polaroid calls it the Pogo, they're using a licensed technology called zinc, poor old Polaroid, I know. But this little pocket printer about the size of a largest cell phone cranks up about a 2 by 3 inch print--but the nice thing is it doesn't use ink; it uses an activated paper so there's no ink-messy cartridge in there. That's why it's so small.
>> Tom: That's pretty cool actually and this one can like go with any SD card right?
>> Brian: Yeah it just takes any file and just prints it.
>> Tom: So it kind of turns any camera into a Polaroid.
>> Brian: Yeah well that's one other piece you've got to carry so isn't that the downside? Wouldn't it be cool if this, and you can see that's about the size of a PDA, if that was built in to the back of all DSLR's or certain DSLR's?
>> Tom: Make it an option like an attachment.
>> Brian: Yeah like you know they dock motor drives to cameras? That would be cool. Just dock the printer when you want to be able to give prints to people at a party or something and leave it behind when you're not.
>> Tom: An instant Polaroid.
>> Brian: They're almost there but this is a separate.
>> Tom: We have your business plan.
>> Brian: We know what you should do with the Pogo and this isn't quite it. All right let's get to some of your calls at 888900CNET. Where do you want to start?
>> Tom: Let's start with the hardest one I think we'll have all day, Isaiah; I talked to him a little bit before the show. He Isaiah thanks for holding. Go ahead and repeat your question for the benefit of the audience.
>> Isaiah: All right so I'm looking for a single board computer that has Ethernet and is pretty cheap and doesn't have to be too powerful when it comes to computer power.
>> Tom: Now see you said under 100 dollars when I talked to you before. Cause pretty cheap I can find more. But I actually found a place called ewayco.com. Have you run into them yet?
>> Isaiah: No.
>> Tom: e-w-a-y-co.com. I couldn't find anything negative about them on the Internet. I have not ordered from them myself, and they sell a lot of low cost systems. They've got a couple that are under 99 bucks and then there's also Thomas net had an archive news story about single board computer than support up to 6 LANS for under 100 dollars, so it takes some searching but they're definitely out there. You might look at the single board computer Linux project 2. I didn't get a chance to dig down into their links but they've got some related links that might lead you into some good sources there. All right?
>> Isaiah: I looked there and there wasn't much.
>> Tom: Okay so don't go there. And anybody out there who's got ideas on single board computers, I don't mess with them at all, go to our forums, forums.cnet.com and see if you can help Isaiah out.
>> Brian: Isaiah I'm curious. What project are you working on that you need an array of simple computers?
>> Isaiah: Well I'm going to be clustering them.
>> Brian: Okay. So you're making your own almost like a blade server arrangement there.
>> Tom: A bay wolf cluster or something like that?
>> Isaiah: Yes.
>> Tom: That's cool.
>> Brian: Interesting.
>> Tom: Well definitely give us a call back and let us know how that works out. It sounds like a really cool project.
>> Isaiah: All right.
>> Brian: Good deal. All right thanks Isaiah. Let's get into you know we're not quite a back to school season, but it's not that far out to start thinking about it. We've got a question along those lines with Gregory in Tucson. Hey Gregory, welcome to CNET Live.
>> Gregory: Hey I was wondering what laptop to get for college?
>> Brian: General purpose laptop? General purpose machine that just does everything pretty well?
>> Gregory: Yeah and something kind of small that I can take to class everyday.
>> Brian: Okay so portability matters, you are going to actually carry it with you.
>> Tom: I'd say the Aces EPC is a good bet. That's one of our top Editor's picks.
>> Brian: But that's super small though.
>> Tom: Yeah it's 9-inch I think and super lightweight and a lot of people love them although Molly Wood said it really cramps up her hand. Some people have that experience and some don't so that's something you'll want to keep in mind.
>> Brian: Yeah and our reviews here obviously because the way we scale the photo, it looks the size of a Mac book. It is not. This is one of the new ultra portable laptops, and it's a different form factor than a standard laptop, even an ultra portable or a thin and light you may have seen, so that's something you want to think about. Do you think that is a level of portability you'd sacrifice in ergonomics for or is that too small?
>> Gregory: Is that something that can run engineering software pretty well?
>> Brian: Well you should be able to. I mean it's an XP based machine in one of its configurations. It's soon be coming out with an atom processor.
>> Tom: It's a Linux-based machine too, which would actually run the engineering software as well.
>> Brian: Only better because if you can run under Linux you've got a better performance base because of its limited specs, you're going to get more out of the OS and there is an atom-based version called the E901 coming out soon. We don't have all the details but that would get you the latest low power, pretty well performing processor for an Intel machine. So that's one to look at, we love the Mac book and that of course runs Windows beautifully these days as well as Mac...
>> Tom: [inaudible] engineering software either, it's just more expensive and not quite as lightweight.
>> Brian: Yeah I don't think we're that crazy about the Mac book, the review we like at 7.7. Tom and I are both going [sound effect], we don't quite get it. The Dell XPS M 1300 series is also a real winner so those are some of the best ones out there; but again you're going to pay a bit of a premium for most of these to get thin and light with the exception of the E which is just a really low cost machine and really super small. So if you want to go that way it's not only a scorching deal but it nails the small really well. Anyway go to our reviews. Dan Ackerman's got it all dialed in there, he's also has the best hair of anyone on the CNET staff, that should also be important to you, so you'll find either thin and light or ultra portable. Those are the two categories we have of the very portable machines and pick one that matches your screen size requirements and your budget. Let's get one more in here before we take a break and go Internet archiving. What do you want to do next?
>> Tom: Oh what have we got?
>> Brian: You've got HP computer HP1 Vista. Can you handle that?
>> Tom: Yes, actually yes. That one shouldn't be too hard.
>> Brian: Let's take that with Aaron in Arizona?
>> Tom: Unless you're throwing a curve ball at me Aaron. What's your question?
>> Aaron: Yes I have Windows Vista, Service Pack 1 and updates for the bios came through and I want to know if I have SP 1 if I install the update will it crash my computer or break it?
>> Tom: It's possible if you don't install the bios that you could have problems with SP1. HP is actually recommending on its own website that you update all your bios and all of your firmware for all your devices for the current ones before you move to SP1. So if HP is telling you to do that, telling you to go to that inconvenience with their product, they probably mean it, that's the safest way to go but it's not some kind of bogus virus type thing. Now if you've got a reason not to upgrade your bios for some reason, you could risk it and I've seen people who've said, "I didn't upgrade the bios and I've had no problem." But the safest way to go is to upgrade your bios and all of your firmware.
>> Aaron: Is there anyway to back that up like bring it past that or take out SP1 and then upgrade it?
>> Tom: To take out the SP1?
>> Aaron: Yeah.
>> Tom: Well have you installed SP1
>> Aaron: Yeah.
>> Tom: Well have you installed SP1?
>> Aaron: I mean everything is working fine.
>> Tom: Right I mean you know what just get a recovery disk setup and make sure you've got your data backed up before you start. If you want to try it without the bios, and then with the recovery disk you'd be able to reinstall the original operating system without SP 1 if something went wrong.
>> Aaron: Oh okay.
>> Brian: All right thanks for the call Aaron appreciate it. I'm curious. Do you know off hand real quickly does SP1 show up as an uninstallable component after you put it in or is it baked in at that point?
>> Tom: Well I don't know if you can do a system restore on SP1 you might be able to.
>> Brian: Yeah so that might be another way for him to get around that. All right coming up.
>> Tom: Well if it's just broke is what I was talking about.
>> Brian: Looking forward to my talk with Brewster Kahle, co-founder and director of the Internet archive. He's really the librarian of the Internet. But first, Steve Jobs confirmed predictions that we were hoping and really waiting for about the new iPhone earlier this week. Molly Wood recaps all the details.
>> Hi I'm Molly Wood from CNET.com here at Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference 2008. Steve Jobs has just finished giving the keynote address where we saw the introduction of a brand new iPhone. It will feature 3G and GPS and of course since this is a Developer's conference, we also got a peek at some of the software that will be running on that iPhone in the future. Let's take a look. ^M00:10:39 [ Music ] ^M00:10:42
>> And today we're introducing the iPhone 3G [audience yells and claps].
>> First the moment everyone was waiting for. The iPhone finally got 3G and with it, faster data speeds.
>> The 3G version downloads in 5 seconds and the Edge version in 18 seconds. That is 3.6 times faster on the 3G version.
>> A few moments later it also got GPS.
>> And here we are driving down Lombard Street and we can actually track as we move using GPS. So it's kind of fun.
>> Then, the iPhone got a whole lot cheaper.
>> For 199. [Audience yells and claps]
>> At just 199 dollars, we think that iPhone 3G is gonna be affordable to almost everyone and that's for the 8 gig model. The 16 gig model is just 299.
>> Earlier in the keynote, Steve Jobs taunted the enterprise support built into the iPhone 2.0 software and showed off some other improvements.
>> Everything everybody's asked for, built in, and we've gotten tremendous feedback from enterprise users that we are on exactly the right track, and we know we can now check off enterprise support.
>> Apple exec Steve Forstall, introduced a string of developers to show off some of the 3rd party apps that will be available on the iPhone. Apparently it can even turn you into a brain surgeon.
>> I learned five new brain terms this morning while I was waiting in line for my Latte.
>> And Jobs announced a replacement service for .mac called mobile me.
>> An e-mail gets sent to me in my mobile me account, it immediately gets pushed to all my devices. My phone, my computers, all have the latest e-mail.
>> I found fans didn't get everything on their wish list for example Steve Jobs did not announce video capture, multimedia messaging or a flash for that camera, but we'll see what they think of the price drop when the eye phone comes out on July 11th. [ Audience clapping and cheering ]
>> It's a great job.
>> Reporting for cnet.com I'm Molly Wood. ^M00:12:38 [ Music ] ^M00:12:42
>> Brian: Nice round up. Thanks Molly. Big week of course and it's nice to have it behind us because there's so much lead up doing an Apple product. You feel like you're pregnant. Okay Brewster Kahle is joining us now, co-founder of the Internet archive. One of the most fascinating resources on the Internet from back in the day. Hello Brewster.
>> Brewster Kahle: Good to see you.
>> Brian: The archive goes back to what year?
>> Brewster: 1996.
>> Brian: 96 yeah.
>> Brewster: The first snapshot of the first public worldwide web. Let's go to, I've got the archive pulled up here for folks that don't know, one of the most interesting parts of it the way back machine. Here it is right on the center of the front door of it. Of course I've got CNET in it, just to go back to some of the old days of the original CNET door. So when you search any website of any significance, and here is, of course there's a lot of R's, but going back to like 96, 97. Let's just pull one up randomly here--here's an October 26, '96 snapshot and this goes back to the old simple days of HTML 1.0 and life was so much easier then. There's Raif before he wore glasses and he used to spell his name Raphael. Everything changes when you go back 10 years. What do you scrape for this? You can't get everything.
>> Brewster: We try to get everything so we have about 50 million websites every two months.
>> Brian: Really?
>> Brewster: Yes. And we get not only the home page and the images on it, but also all the pages down deep as we can go. We get about 4 billion pages every snapshot these days.
>> Brian: That's unbelievable, the amount of volume.
>> Brewster: It's unbelievable. It's about a Library of Congress every month.
>> Brian: Wow.
>> Brewster: And so yeah it's about 4 billion pages and we do this snapshot every two months and we have since 1996 so you can see the path. Also you can click around and surf the web as it was. The idea is that basically we have out of print web pages.
>> Brian: That's what it is. It's an out of print back issues library of the history, which is a relatively short history as media go, but it's an amazing richness in just that amount of time. How do you store all of this?
>> Brewster: Stacks and stacks of Linux machines. We've got about 2,000 Linux machines, each with 4 hard drives. Currently their a terabyte each so that's 4 terabytes in each and in a rack, you can put 40 machines so that's 160 terabytes, if you put them back to back that's 320 terabytes, you put 3 if those in a row and you have a pedabyte. In about a cube, it's about well you on a side. And that's a pedabyte and we have two pedabytes currently spinning.
>> Brian: Now another fascinating thing you're using those pedabytes for is media, not just website capture, but you guys have so much audio and video. I was going through some of these various films you've got. I was doing a project in San Francisco the other day on some family history and I go to movable images here, moving images up on the search bar. This is where you find video, audio, books, all this stuff you guys have categorized, various license types. But what I love about this is the storage you've got here is not just snapshot quality up to an mpeg2.
>> Brewster: We've got DVD. We've got a 1000 DVD's that you can download, like full length movies plus we've got a lot of these other things in DVD quality. So we have, I don't know 100,000 movies, a couple hundred thousand audio pieces, and no only can you just download them and use them to make new stuff, you can upload the archive. So we were around before You Tube. You Tube just make the snippets.
>> Brian: Yeah but this is really recreating that. What about this archive here of live music?
>> Brewster: Fabulous, so there are two major collections of audio. One is a lot of concert recordings so we have everything, we have 2,500 bands. So I basically said yeah go ahead and have my recordings up there and fans record the bands off the soundboard, they're beautiful quality and they put them up such that they're uncompressed wave files. We also make MP3's out of them so they're easier to play.
>> Brian: Here's a Dead concert of November 73, this is the ultimate. If someone was a taper back in the day, this is the ultimate way to swap and share.
>> Brewster: Absolutely and this is basically from those days in the since of sharing, there's no money changing hands, it's very important so nobody can download and sell these things. That's how it works. We have now 50,000 concerts that are available so you can download those and feel good about them, put them on your iPod and do anything you want to with them except sell them. You're not allowed to sell them.
>> Brian: So all this great stuff. I can go get audio, video, I can get downloadable books, you've got print on demand books, and of course all the archives of the way back machine but you guys were reported by the FBI recently trying to find information about a user who was looking for this stuff. What were they looking for?
>> Brewster: They basically wanted to know everything about a patron of the Internet archive, and because, you can use anything in the archive without logging in or know nothing. We don't actually log in IP addresses. That's rare and I think incredibly important. You should be able to read anonymously. You should be able to be a fool and learn stuff and sort of muddle around, be stupid and not be able to have somebody look back and say, "What do you look for?" We don't have that at all but if you want to go and post on the forums or upload to the archive, you've got to go and give us an unconfirmed e-mail address. And so basically we went and said, "Hey we want to know about this patron." And they did it in this completely bizarre way. This is this National Security Letter; it's an outgrowth of the Patriot Act. They can go and demand information and you have to give it to them with no court oversight.
>> Brian: It's a warrant without a judge right?
>> Brewster: It's a warrant without a judge, well it's warrantless surveillance and you can't talk about it. It's a gag. So when our lawyers got this, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, they couldn't even talk about it with their colleagues. When they told me about it I couldn't even talk about it with my wife, the Board, nobody. It's this completely hyper, hyper secret or you go to jail.
>> Brian: But you got them to back down. So how did you fight something you couldn't even discuss with anyone except your attorneys?
>> Brewster: The EFF and the ECLU joined in and we countersued. Nobody at the Internet archive knew about this; nobody knew about this. But we countersued in the secret court, they basically backed down which is great, and not only that is we demanded that we be able to talk about it. So we put a cookbook up there for other people that want to go saying no.
>>Brian: Interesting. So you guys won in the settlement, the win here in this secret court, the right to talk retroactively about how you did beat it?
>> Brewster: Absolutely and so we posted all the documents and if anybody else wants to learn how you go say no, there have been 200,000 of these requests that we know of, and only 3 of them pushed back on. These National Security letters--nasty. Oh if you go to the Internet archive and search on National Security archive in the little search box, there's a great movie actually by these guys about this whole subject there. It's about 25 minutes long, a great piece on the Internet archive.
>> Brian: Of course, you'll find out about the Internet archive. Where do people find the materials that you post at your cookbook? The easiest way to find that is what?
>> Brewster: Go to National Security letter or the Electronic Frontier Foundation has got a good page on it. The ECLU has also a good page on it and contribute to EFF AND ECLU. You know one of the things I think I figured out in all this is if you're under a gag, you can't go and hire lawyers I mean you can't start spending tens of thousands of dollars without actually having people raise money.
>> Brian: Because you can't publicize the cost.
>> Brewster: No none of that so you need Pro Bono attorneys. And you need pro bono attorneys to say yes we're on it and the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ECLU have been absolutely great. And the FBI it turns out didn't even need the information in the first place.
>> Brian: Two quick things. The person they were going after do you know if they were looking for their uploads or what they were viewing?
>> Brewster: Can't tell you and even if I could, I wouldn't.
>> Brian: What am I asking? And the other question is how's the funding of the Internet archive dealt with?
>> Brewster: We get donations where people are basically users out there, there's Paypal buttons and Amazon, and people donate to us, but also foundations. We get government contracts to go and crawl the web for them, like the National Archives, the Library of Congress. National libraries around the world go and we collect old France and then deliver it to them in a pedabox. And that's most of our funding. But more and more it's actually like people that watch your program they go and say, "Yeah I don't want this thing to go away," we're just another type of thing like a library or a museum out there just making it in the digital world.
>> Brian: Great stuff. Brewster thanks so much for being with us.
>> Brewster: Thank you.
>> Brian: Brewster Kahle from the Internet Archive at archive.org. An amazing collection of stuff folks. Go check it out if you're not familiar with it already. It is a great snapshot of the history of this young, yet so compelling medium. Up next--the download of the week right after this. ^M00:21:09 [ Music ] ^M00:22:02
>> Brian: Back to it 888900CNET; 8889002638 for your calls.
>> Tom: Yes we're going to the phones right away.
>> Brian: Right away. Let's do it.
>> Tom: All right.
>> Brian: I like the idea of you asking a question for Favio who has been burning up his Skype minutes.
>> Tom: Hey Favio. Are you on Skype or are you on a different line now?
>> Favio: No I'm on Skype.
>> Tom: Okay we'll try to make it quick then. What's your question?
>> Favio: No it's okay it's not charging me.
>> Brian: Yeah okay good.
>> Favio: Yeah my question is I have a Word Press log and it's in the wordpress.com and I'm trying to go to a hosted version. So I was wondering how can I change my content to the hosted version.
>> Tom: Well the good news for your post and everything is they've created a new exporter. I'll put a link to that into the show notes at blog.cnettv.com, and Matt Mullingwag [assumed spelling] has created a way for you to export everything from wordpress.com. It's under the manage tag, and that creates an XML file that they when you go and put your Word Press software in your new host, you can upload that XML file and it will have all of your posts, all of your comments and everything. The one thing it doesn't do is images. So if you have images on your old blog you're going to either have to either re-upload them all and change the links at the new blog, or if you're got them located somewhere else like Flicker or Picasa, [assumed spelling] you can upload them to somewhere like that and then change the links to point to that. But there's no easy way to transfer the images that I've found. Now I've found a lot of threads where people were having the same problem, and I'll throw those in the show notes as well and maybe you'll want to jump in on that thread and see if maybe you can get Word Press to give you an easier way to do this.
>> Favio: Okay thank you so much Tom it's a pleasure to talk to you.
>> Tom: Good to talk to you too. Thanks for calling.
>> Brian: Thanks Favio. Appreciate it and thanks for making the long call and staying on the long whole on your Skype system there. Let's go over to Alex, he's in Pennsylvania. Has a question about a phone that isn't supposed to be in this country but of course some of the best ones aren't and we still want to use them. Hello Alex welcome to CNET Live.
>> Alex: Hey. After seeing the keynote, I decided that I wanted a new phone so I decided I wanted the LG Beauty.
>> Brian: Ouch, okay.
>> Tom: You said that's nice Apple. I want a different phone.
>> Brian: All right now the Beauty, that's going to be a little dicey because that's a Euro only product I think.
>> Alex: Yep. So I was wondering I already spoke to the people at AT&T and they said that I could use it in my area, but they weren't sure if I could use the 3G.
>> Brian: Yeah. That's the same problem I'm having in researching your issue is will you get the 3G data connection. I've been scouring the AT&T wireless forums. A lot of people have tried out but I'm not able to find out specifically if they're getting 3G out of it, or just the standard phone and a dumber data connection, so that will be Edge if it drops back. I think that's an HSDPA phone which is really 3-1/2 G, and I'm told and I don't know this for sure, that HSDPA frequencies in Europe are different than they're using in America. So I'm a little nervous about you shelling out what, 500 bucks, to buy an unlocked Beauty and using it on AT&T and only getting Edge, you know 2-1/2G network connection? So...
>> Tom: But it's a pretty phone though.
>> Brian: It's a damn pretty phone. We've got one now. You've got a picture of one right?
>> Tom: Yeah we had it up there just a second ago.
>> Brian: There it is. I mean a lot of folks are saying it's the nearest, dearest thing to an iPhone competitor if you really want that same kind of richness of interface. So I can't give you a definitive on that but go over to the forums at AT&T wireless or Cingular, they're going to know a lot more than the Tech support people as you know, and see if you can find the fine point on it but I wasn't able to dig up a definitive yes or not but it will at least work. But you may not get the 3-1/2 G and that would be a real shame to be missing out on that. Okay good luck with that.
>> Tom: Okay many of you may be thinking about ditching the old iPhone for the iPhone 3G so what do you do with that old iPhone?
>> Brian: Well you've got to do something with it?
>> Tom: Whatever you do you want to securely erase its contents so we're going to deal with that issue on today's Insider Secret. Ah your old friend, your old ancient worn out first generation iPhone, probably headed out the door. Maybe you can sell it on E-Bay, maybe you're going to give it to a friend. But before you send it on its way for its newer cousin, you need to get all that personal data off there, like your e-mail passwords and those compromising photos of you, and of course all your friends' e-mail addresses and phone numbers. I'm Tom Merritt from CNET.com that's what I'm gonna show you how to do on this Insider's Secrets. ^M00:26:49 [ Music ] ^M00:27:00
>> Tom: If you're not too paranoid, then the following is all you have to do. Plug in your iPhone, launch iTunes, click on the iPhone and press restore. This will return the iPhone to its virgin state. No files visible, no nothing. However, as the paranoid watching this right now are probably shouting at the screen, that doesn't actually get rid of all your data. Now I showed you in another Insider's Secret how deleted files can be recovered. You don't want that happening here. In fact an Oregon State police detective was able to recover personal data from a refurbished iPhone he bought from Apple. Now Jonathan who posted those pictures recently posted his own way of wiping the iPhone. It's probably the most secure way I've seen but it involves jail breaking the iPhone after a restore and then obtaining shell access via SSH. So you decide your own paranoia to work ratio if you want Jonathan's rock solid way, head on over to his website. Meanwhile here's the easier way we know of to rid your iPhone of as much recoverable data as possible. First, change your passwords, especially for e-mails and social networking accounts accessed from the iPhone. Next, do the restore we demonstrated above, then and a little thanks to securosis.com for this one, go into iTunes and on the info tab, uncheck all options. Do the same on photos, podcasts, and video. Now create three separate playlists that area all the same size as your iPhone's storage capacity. If you've got 7 gigabytes of storage free, make your playlists 7 gigabytes large. Go to the music tab and select the first three of your playlists and sync. Watch that storage bar fill up. Now uncheck that playlist, check the second playlist, sync again and then do the same with the third playlist. What you're doing here is kind of an unofficial, fumbly three pass overwrite. Now restore the iPhone again and if you can preferably do it from a different computer. This will make most of your old data mostly unrecoverable but I can't guarantee that every last shred is gone. For that, do Jonathan's method that I mentioned earlier. That's it for this edition of Insider's Secrets; I'm Tom Merritt, cnet.com.
>> Now since I recorded that Jonathan Gorsky [assumed spelling] actually e-mailed me and let me know how to pronounce his name, and said that he has a Wipe program. You still need to do a little command line thing and it's not for everybody, but if you really want to securely wipe it without having to jail break it, go to blog.cnet.com and I've updated the article on that Insider's Secret.
>> Brian: Oh so your choices are you more comfortable doing a jailbreak or using some command line and doing it that way without jailbreak. Okay thanks. Next week who have we got coming up?
>> Tom: We have David Siegfried [assumed spelling], former Technorati.com CEO. He's got a new gig, customizing travel guides.
>> Brian: Oh I like that.
>> Tom: Maybe we'll talk Linux with him too.
>> Brian: That's always fun also. So we'll see you next week, next Thursday, 1:00 Pacific, 4 Eastern.
>> Tom: 10 a.m. Hawaiian folks.
>> Brian and Tom: See you then. ^M00:30:09 [ Music ] ^M00:30:20
>> You eating enough? You look a little thin.
>> Yeah that's a very Mom question.
>> I miss you baby.
>> I miss you too.
>> Love you.
>> Yeah we love you.
>> We tell everyone about the relief work you're doing you know.
>> Of course you do.
>> Welcome to a network that's been in countries and families or a little closer. ^M00:30:43 [ Music ] ^M00:30:47
>> Cisco, welcome to the human network.
Brewster Kahle is saving the Internet. He is the co-founder of archive.org and is this week's guest.
