Buzz Out Loud 735: Indiana Jones Video
Buzz Out Loud 735: Indiana Jones Video Transcript
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>> It's Friday, May 30, 2008.
>> I'm Molly Wood.
>> I'm Tom Merritt.
>> I'm Jason Howell.
>> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length. It's episode 735 Video edition.
>> Video.
>> Video
>> Yup, if you're listening to audio hopefully it sounds better than the last week. We apologize.
>> Yes.
>> But there is also a video version, should you wish to indulge.
>> Yes. Getting ready into the news however, Comcast was briefly -- the homepage for Comcast and webmail service was briefly taking down for more that 5 hours yesterday.
>> Is it briefly taken down for more than 5 hours?
>> I'd say that's long.
>> I think 5 hours is very long.
>> I'm calling it very long, yeah.
>> For your homepage I guess.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Especially for someone like Comcast.
>> Because they cease the domain and re directed it.
>> I know.
>> So mail was out too.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Actually, that is not brief at all.
>> Uh-hum.
>> Kevin Poulsen, let's retake that lead over at Wired, shall we?
>> Brief is like 10 minutes.
>> The hackers who perpetuated the attack then sat down for an interview with Wired.
>> Yes, so that makes up for Kevin Poulsen being able to snag the hackers I think.
>> Yeah, I think so. Because he was like, kind of busy. The hackers call themselves Defiant and EBK. And they said that...
>> They're part of an underground group called Kryogeniks.
>> They have a lot of funny names.
>> With a K.
>> They said they warned Comcast.
>> Of course.
>> They warned them.
>> They called...
>> Warned them, they're gonna hack them.
>> Who did they call? They called the head of Comcast Web or Comcast Digital. They called him and he hang-up on them.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> So, they're like, oh, okay, all right.
>> I guess we're clear. We go.
>> We're gonna hold on to it then.
>> They were able to...
>> I think it wasn't even though, it was, oh, just a technical contact for Comcast.
>> Technical contact.
>> Oh, they probably called the technical contact from the DNS record.
>> Yes.
>> But the way they did this is they went and they cease one of the DNS records and then went in, alter the DNS record and changed it to direct one of their own servers.
>> Yeah.
>> Now what's really interesting about this is they said they used some social engineering combined with an exploit, right.
>> Yeah, I'm reading what they changed that the -- the stuff too in the record.
>> Oh, what did they...
>> But we can't say.
>> Okay.
>> But the link will be...
>> But we can say Dildo Room.
>> It [inaudible] CNET.com. And then -- so, once with a little social engineering and an exploit in the DNS system, they were able to redirect the servers, but then, they have a work cut out for them because Comcast has a lot of traffic even overnight.
>> Yeah.
>> So, they were constantly opening up web hosts, directing traffic to that web host, slamming that web host or that web host would close their account and then moving along to another web host.
>> That's pretty nice.
>> Pretty much all night long.
>> Yes, so I think that by the end of it, they probably were like, okay, okay, okay. I'm kind of tired of this.
>> The thrill is gone.
>> Yeah.
>> It was probably a rush for a while though.
>> I guess so. Yeah, I mean, what they basically say they were attempting to show -- I mean, you know, they're 18 years old and full of [inaudible], so that they're a little -- they come off a little obnoxious, but they say that they were trying to let Comcast know that it is trivially simple to redirect a homepage, even one as big and important as Comcast.net.
>> And Poulsen asked them, he's like, was this in response to Comcast to outwin BitTorrent or any of the PDP packet shaping or any of that.
>> They're like, no.
>> We just like doing it.
>> We just [inaudible] Comcast.
>> I know. That's [inaudible].
>> It seemed like a good idea.
>> They don't like their BP service.
>> Yeah.
>> Is what they said except not BP. An interesting opinion...
>> Bookmark.
>> Piece on Mark of Watch.com from John Dvorak today suggesting that what should really happen here in the world besides from peace and ending famine is that Disney should buy TiVo.
>> He knows how to stir up [inaudible], but you know what, the thing about Mr. Dvorak is, he doesn't just stir it up.
>> Yeah.
>> He comes up with pretty thought-provoking situations here that sometime -- most of the time, frankly, make a lot of sense.
>> Yeah, in this case I think it's one. I mean it is definitely like a [inaudible] knows. Like it's Dvorak, you know, so he might just be starting up, but no, I think this makes a lot of sense, what he said is, so we didn't really talk much about the recent announcement that Disney will use TiVo as kind of a delivery mechanism for IPTV.
>> Right there it's their adding that along with Unbox.
>> Right.
>> So now you'll be able to get Disney movies that aren't available in Amazon Unbox on the TiVo as low as all the Unbox.
>> Exclusivity thing.
>> Yeah, exactly and then he is saying, you know that TiVo's stock has been making a consistent move up. TiVo's kind of on the rise, but they still -- and I think this is where he's absolutely right. TiVo still needs something.
>> Something, yeah.
>> So to be able to stay in the game.
>> They're doing much better now than they were even like a year or two ago.
>> I read an article yesterday saying that TiVo is -- I don't know if it's their CEO or the Chairman who's saying this, but was saying that they're counting on licensing fees based on their patent lawsuit victory over Echostar's a big of source of funds.
>> They are, yeah.
>> And that's legit, but I'm like, that can't be your business plan.
>> Right.
>> They're definitely...
>> That's not a long term business plan for sure.
>> That's definitely a third source of funding for you, but I think you still need some oomph.
>> And they -- well, they need some way to be the more -- to not be the stand alone player that's relying on ton something like Cable Card because that kind of is just keeping them in the back [inaudible] category. And I think that if they were to be purchased by a major network or major, sort of content provider like Disney, it could lend them a little more sort of set-top like legitimacy, maybe.
>> Well, they've got a deal with Comcast, which has been in incredibly slow to roll out.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, it's the right move, but if you need to be making these deals...
>> But it's not the same with TiVo.
>> With the cables to get their -- decables. And they may reproach Direct TV. Now the liberty is taking control of Direct TV.
>> Right.
>> They may be able to get back into the Direct TV market. I think that's the right way to go. Does Disney help them get that?
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Because that's really where they need to be. They need to be in all the set-top boxes.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I guess it makes them a delivery -- it makes them -- I think it makes them a serious set-top box that still might lead them with the problem of not being directly affiliated so strongly with.
>> With the potential leverage right.
>> Right.
>> For Disney to go, like, hey, you wanna break on carrying our channels, you know...
>> Yeah.
>> Cause we own ESPN. Why don't you strike a deal with our TiVo subunit?
>> Dvorak says besides from giving the company more control over content like controlling such a device it might be -- it might find it a good vehicle for delivering targeted advertising to the viewers.
>> Yeah.
>> But only for Disney content -- I don't know.
>> Yeah, that's what I don't understand.
>> Yes, I don't know. It's definitely worth [inaudible]. So [inaudible] and send us your thoughts.
>> Yeah, go too on Dvorak and then get back to it. Another story from Canada.com about a copyright deal going on there. This has been boiling for a while. I know folks have emailed us about it and we really haven't touch on it yet. What's the scoop on this Molly?
>> I almost -- okay, I will attempt to get through it.
>> Take a deep breath.
>> So, it is a proposal called the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which is apparently, had been a plan that's been very under wraps as they have been developing it probably for the obvious reason that everyone is in a freak...
>> Freaked out.
>> Write-out when they hear about it. The Federal Government of Canada secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws, which could make the information on Canadian iPods, laptop computers or other personal electronic devices illegal and greatly increased the difficulty of traveling with such devices. For example, it might require customs agents to and security officials and border guards, border crossings and other public security personnel will be in charge with checking laptops, iPods and even cell phones for content that infringes on copyright laws, such as ripped CDs...
>> And those border agents...
>> And movies.
>> Can make that decision. They can just choose, like, oh, well there's a movie on your iPod, so there's a very good chance that this is pirated so we're gonna take that from you.
>> Also a ripped CD.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's like, which I've -- right here on this laptop that's sitting in front of me is full of ripped CDs.
>> Yeah. It's not illegal. I mean, [inaudible].
>> Yes, it's sort of up in the air, right.
>> Pops up sometimes.
>> Right.
>> Everyone...
>> And it infringes you.
>> Everyone says that it's not a problem. But every one's [inaudible] impressed. The RIAA has said, well we think that might be an infringing use. They're kind of reserving that. They don't wanna push it too far 'cause they don't wanna kill CD sales.
>> Yeah.
>> You wanna drive everybody into BitTorrent?
>> But, wow.
>> Tell them that they're gonna assume for ripping your CDs.
>> The guards would also be responsible for determining what is infringing content and what is not. The agreement proposes that any content that may have been copied from a DVD or a digital video recorder will be opened for scrutiny by officials even if the content was copied legally.
>> Which pretty much covers anything that would end up on these portable media devices, if you think about it. They could all be ripped from something.
>> This is treating your digital property as a Customs -- as physical property of the Customs.
>> Yup, yup.
>> Because they can go -- right now, all -- I mean, you might think like how could they do this, but they do it already. They are responsible for checking your bags and finding out if you have pirated DVDs in there.
>> Uh-hum.
>> They don't open up every bag. They're not gonna open up every laptop.
>> Right.
>> But they're gonna use the same procedures to determining which one's they do and when they do, treating all of the stuff on your laptop or your phone or ...
>> And we are going to have to hope ...
>> ...iPod.
>> And assume the same people who couldn't recognize the MacBook Air as a real laptop...
>> Yeah, right. Good point.
>> Will be able to tell the difference between a movie that you ripped from a DVD and a movie that you bought off iTunes.
>> Was that TSA though.
>> That was TSA.
>> Okay, so that is different people.
>> Yes, to be fair. But this would be public. This would also be public security personnel and it would be...
>> It's customs officials.
>> And borders. Not only customs officials, but also customs officials. It also by the way, the ACTA and this is all what's amazing about this is that this language all being handcrafted totally behind closed doors and the only reason that there's the story about it now is because a four-page document, a summary of the proposals was leaked.
>> Leaked. Yeah.
>> I mean, it's like in secret, as that someone points out, there's a quote from David Fewer, staff counsel at the University of Ottawa's Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. He said that, "If Hollywood could order intellectual property laws for Christmas what would they look like? This is pretty close."
>> Right.
>> This will definitely encourage me doing an Insider Secrets on How to remove your data from your device for travel.
>> Yeah.
>> And then we've got a different logic data.
>> Or web hosting.
>> From someone we've talked about on Buzz Out Loud. And I should really do a video on that too.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like basically a way to take all your data off, store it online and keep them off your computers, so if you go through Customs, there's nothing there and then when you get across the border, you pull it back down from the closet.
>> One thing to know too it also applies to ISPs and it would require ISPs to take the role that we've been talking about and to not only do pack and inspection, but to turn over information about their clients. Their customers if they're found to be infringing. They would have to turn over information pertaining to "claimed infringement" or "alleged infringers."
>> This is eventually ...
>> It's gonna push everyone into not consuming.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I mean, not immediately, but if this sort of attitude continuous that would push every one into not consuming...
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The content.
>> 'Cause why would I ever buy a movie on iTunes...
>> Exactly.
>> If I had a very legitimate belief that if I try to take that movie to Canada, my iPod can be confiscated and then destroyed.
>> Yeah.
>> By somebody who thought like, oh you clearly ripped that from a DVD.
>> Oh, right because it's on your iPod.
>> Which by the way should be legal.
>> If I've got a copy of Buzz Out Loud video on my iPod are they going to say that I mean, if they know that.
>> Because do they...
>> Do they know that it isn't a movie or...
>> Like can I even turn to an alternative public, you know freely available source of content.
>> Yeah.
>> Or is it just gonna be assumed that of you have any thing on there.
>> I mean, this is your...
>> If you have any music on your iPod, you're infringing trouble.
>> Well, if you -- because if you might have ripped it from a CD, which ...
>> Right.
>> Apparently in infringing. I mean, really like this is -- you're absolutely right Tom. This is the content industry killing the content industry.
>> Uh-hum.
>> And it's about time that they understood that they are hampering the innovation and the development of their own business with this kind of thing. It's very, very disturbing.
>> Finally, NBC and Windows have come out and explain -- with Microsoft. Will come out and explain what happened with the broadcast flag that prevented those poor people from recording American Gladiators.
>> Those poor unfortunate souls.
>> They're still getting over that too.
>> And the explanation...
>> People that can record that.
>> Yeah, really, this is we're just following up here. Really doesn't tell you that much news. NBC says that inadvertently set a CGMS stroke a flag for the shows that were prevented from being recorded and NBC is quick to point out this is not actually the same as the broadcast flag that the FCC failed to implement a few years ago. Except that it covers analog transmissions instead of digital signals. And they say that after February, when the digital TV transition happens in the US that this signal would -- even if they inadvertently said it won't affect anything. It would only affect the analog transmissions.
>> There you go.
>> Ars Technica connotes it's all cold comfort to owners of not only media center PCs, but DVRs and other devices that are ultimately at the mercy of being content's whim as to how and when they should be able to record shows, but isn't that our whole point?
>> Cold comfort farm.
>> Cold comfort to be with thee.
>> I believe I'm going to invent it.
>> It's comforting and also...
>> Delicious. I will drink a nice chilled whisky, cold comfort.
>> An interesting story from Ars Technica also, a civil rights group apparently.
>> A bunch of them.
>> About 15.
>> Fifteen of them.
>> Fifteen prominent civil rights group are taking a conspicuous swing at FCC chair Kevin Martin's proposals for wholesale base a la carte cable because they believed that the idea if implemented will deliver -- a quote crushing blow to channels targeting minority communities.
>> Yeah, Kevin Martin has been talking about a reform that would say -- let me get this right. If a cable service charges more than the monthly rate of 75 cents for each subscriber, they can eject a channel from the expanded basic cable service. So I think if the network is saying, we're gonna charge you 75 cents the subscriber to caryy this network, the cable operator can then make it a la carte. So that subscribers would have to pick and choose those channels and pay for them individually. Now, we've been talking about how we want a la carte cable. We want the choices.
>> Right.
>> Bu the fifteen civil rights group see things differently. Their perspective is a lot of specialty channels, rule channels, minority channels, foreign language channels have been bundled in and that they would not be carried at all in this situation.
>> Which...
>> Or maybe slowed to a -- low numbers adoption.
>> Yeah, or will be punitive to carry them. Now this is interesting because I know a lot of, like Hispanic channels you have to pay like an extra 20 bucks a month to get them, to get the Spanish language channels. And Jade as an Asian language channel that you have to pay extra.
>> Yeah.
>> So it's already really bad...
>> Right.
>> To get a lot of these channels. I guess they're saying like the few that are bundled in. but it's not like it's a level playing field anyway, you know what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, I do understand what you're saying. Well, and it's an interesting argument to say that bundling in is a form of like, sort of affirmative action for this channels.
>> Like [inaudible] -- yeah, yeah.
>> I mean, the idea behind a la carte is that you would be able to have access to all of the things that interests you and get to pick and chose that and not seems like that would be a little bit of an ideal like, you know there's the -- I think the reason that the industry, the cable industry opposes it is because of the cost association.
>> Right.
>> Association, right, like there's no question that a niche channel, the programming would have to cost less.
>> Yeah.
>> And the quality might be a little bit lower, but the, you know the theory is that it would appeal to people who were interested specifically in that. I don't -- I'm not sure I totally buy this argument. I don't think it's completely bogus because I think that it is
>> It's certainly a consideration of.
>> I just wonder if some of the hurdles that they're talking about in terms of launching the channels in the first place wouldn't go away also with the a la carte.
>> Here's one thing that confuse me.
>> Eventually.
>> When we were talking about bundling if you don't know, it's when say ABC -- we mentioned this earlier, they have ESPN, ABC on ESPN and they say, look, if you want to keep ESPN on your cable system, you've got to carry ABC Family.
>> Right.
>> And whatever other networks we have that we want you to carry, these three network. And so there's -- that's the bundling, right.
>> Right.
>> So, isn't that current system really only encourage the networks that are created by the major networks to be carried.
>> That's what I thought. Like the huge...
>> I mean, there's hardly any independent network left.
>> Right and there's hardly -- I didn't know that we're all -- I mean, maybe they're, maybe it's dependent on specific cable providers.
>> Yeah, I don't know.
>> Because I thought that the whole argument was about ESPN through ESPN 17 when you're paying for, you know and you don't wanna have to pay for all of that.
>> Cable show.
>> Exactly.
>> Right.
>> And that it did became a way for the major providers to shove more and more channels down your throat. I don't know for sure. Ars Technica points out though that the -- some of the groups who opposed the a la carte television channels have that a la carte satellite...
>> Radio because the [inaudible] Series...
>> Radio options.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, which is kind of interesting. I don't know, I don't know that it would I think there is a possibility for collateral damage at the beginning I think.
>> Sure.
>> But I think overall the promise of a la carte is that it will lower the barrier to entry for specialty channels and allow then to actually get life where they wouldn't have before. I don't know, we'll see.
>> Next story involves anything strange happening in front of the flagship Fifth Avenue Apple Store in New York City will draw a story.
>> Yup, obviously in the last two weeks.
>> This time the 24-hour store shut down for the night, which that's unusual.
>> That is.
>> The stories are saying that they were shooting an iPhone commercial, a 3G iPhone commercial.
>> Interesting.
>> They were most definitely shooting something.
>> That's what employees said.
>> People saw them with cameras.
>> I love how Apple creates a commercial and it makes news, like you don't see this...
>> Yeah.
>> With Samsung shooting a commercial or something like that.
>> Well, because they don't have like...
>> It was like Apple is making a commercial and people report about they're making a commercial.
>> Samsung doesn't have a giant see-through 24-hour store.
>> That's true I guess so.
>> That's true, yeah.
>> You know, on Fifth Avenue.
>> Also, along with this Forbes has a really interesting article saying that the new iPhone is actually sitting in distribution centers right now.
>> Boom, I agree.
>> They did some good research combining a lot of rumors that we have reported on, as well as some other independent research by Ryan Peterson, co-founder of Import Genius just basically putting together a lot of shipping that's been happening, a lot of the trips that Steve Jobs has been taking, how -- where he's been flying and when and saying, you know, they pretty much are convinced at Forbes that two weeks, in mid-March the first shipments of the new devices began arriving. In fact, they say, the first twenty containers arrived at the port of Oakland on March 19.
>> Yeah.
>> So they're backing up that story that we've talked about.
>> When we got the call from the UPS guys saying I delivered 36 boxes to AT&T, I think it's -- I totally agree like a lot of analysts have been saying that they think that they're gonna announce it and then like a week later, there'll be available. I think it's gonna be in the stores.
>> Well, here's the thing, right. The AT&T, they mentioned this in the Forbes story, the AT&T vacation memo said you can't take vacation between June 15 and July 12.
>> A week later, right.
>> Yeah.
>> So that's what got the analysts saying it's gonna be announced and then out a week later, but if all these stories are true about sitting in distributions centers, are they saying, like, well it takes us a week to get out of the distribution centers and then what's the logic behind cutting off the current iPhone.
>> Right.
>> And then making people wait and causing a ruckus. I mean, is that what it is, is to cause the ruckus and have lines and have everybody reporting on the lines and then...
>> I guess that when they have the lines I mean ultimately like the goal of the buzz is to sell a bunch of devices, so why not start selling them June 9 or June 10.
>> You know, the one thing that we haven't considered here is the fact that Apple is allowing you to upgrade the current iPhone to the Firmware 2.0 -- to the iPhone 2.0. That may be behind the cutting off of the current iPhone from distribution, which is they don't want people running out and buying the old iPhone knowing that they can get most of those functions with the 2.0 firmware.
>> Maybe.
>> They wanna make them wait if you wanna buy an iPhone, you're gonna have to buy a 3G iPhone.
>> Maybe. I don't know. I feel like if the inventory is there that it was in the stores.
>> The inventory there?
>> Or is the inventory.
>> If the inventory is there. If the inventory is there then you just start selling it or is it in a center somewhere and have to be moved.
>> Yeah because it's true that they wouldn't -- it's true that it probably would take a while for the distribution to occur and they can't risk starting a distribution before the announcement because one thing Forbes noticed is that no pictures have leaked at all.
>> Yeah.
>> But as soon as you start taking things out of boxes...
>> Yeah.
>> Then it's gonna leak.
>> And there is at least one person at Apple who knows the answer to all of these listening right now, snickering.
>> I know.
>> Who are you?
>> Not like a hater way, but like a, you know, not like an angry way...
>> Like in the jealous angry way.
>> Yeah, like that. I just wanna know.
>> Yeah.
>> I just want to know everything.
>> Guess what, you'll know.
>> Not like the lady in Indiana Jones or anything, but. Okay so, apparently...
>> My eyes.
>> Stop.
>> Hybrid electric cars.
>> Hybrid electric cars. So you've probably heard of Tesla and you've maybe heard of Fisker, which is being sued by Tesla or whatever they make these tricked out hybrid super cars, but apparently, there is a third company that I've never heard of hybrid technologies -- good name, which is preparing a green sports car that it's gonna submit at the automotive X Prize contest. And not only will it be like a tricked out super cars sports car, it will get the equivalent, the gas battery hybrid will get the equivalent of 220 miles per gallon.
>> So sports car with higher gas mileage than even a hacked Prias.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah or like even a little smart car, or whatever.
>> Dude.
>> Sick. The idea to make the X Prize entrant something that will result in a mass produce electric car.
>> You have to drive at 20 miles an hour.
>> Yeah right. That's the only thing [inaudible], you have to drive slow.
>> You got it.
>> I don't think this car is gonna goes 20 miles per hour.
>> It starts at 40.
>> It starts at 40.
>> It's awesome.
>> Prototype hitting the streets in September.
>> And it appears...
>> So expect to see it wherever you are on the streets.
>> Exactly.
>> Right. I'll have too.
>> I'm gonna order one.
>> Be sure it will on gas.
>> It will be very affordable and [inaudible].
>> It's wacko Friday.
>> Yehey.
>> Well, maybe not. Maybe it's not a wacko.
>> Maybe.
>> We throw that term around, but maybe -- maybe he knows what he's talking about.
>> A Denver resident has a claim that he has a what, an alien body.
>> He has a video.
>> He has a video of an, -- oh, well, we all have videos of alien bodies.
>> Well, it could be a video of his body.
>> He is saying this is real.
>> Right. He describes the footage to ABC News, he said -- okay first though, not only does he say he has a body, but or a video that will confirm the existence of an alien life. He has also begin work...
>> [Inaudible] video.
>> He has also begun work of putting a ballot in the ship to the city's voters that would have passed to establish an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission made up of 18 members appointed by the Mayor to ensure public safety in the event that aliens or their vehicles were to arrive in the Mile High City.
>> 'Cause you know the traffic problems downtown Denver bad enough without alien vehicles.
>> I don't -- I actually -- I don't know, don't you think that the federal government have.
>> This is video I thought he actually had a body.
>> No, c'mon.
>> Nah.
>> He said, the video -- okay, "It starts out with a digital camera looking out across the room toward a window. There's a couple of flashes of light."
>> You have two guess.
>> After a few seconds, there is a small head clearly rising above a sill, panning the room, blinking its eyes, all slowly. The skin of the alien's oblong face...
>> Wow.
>> That is smooth, not wrinkled like the being in the popular film E.T.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> None of us have ever faked the video.
>> He's gonna show it at an event on Friday where he asks the media to turn off their cameras.
>> Of course.
>> Effectively preventing the public from having the chance to see the footage for themselves.
>> A-ha.
>> Although, I have to say I don't think that the extraterrestrial affairs commission is such a bad idea.
>> No, it's like you just preventing the mainland.
>> It's just a disaster planning.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> You know, some disaster organizations do plan for strange things like that.
>> Oh, yeah, totally.
>> Because they have to.
>> You know the Federal government has like alien immigration plan.
>> There is a federal government alien response plan in many emergency medical system plans and it's not because they know something. It's because they just wanna have every case covered.
>> Yeah.
>> It's something, you know, if something strange happen, it should be there.
>> Dude, I'm just saying the Mars Phoenix could be up there right now, like taking off Somalians and incoming...
>> And you know with people editing history the way they are these days, these time travelers...
>> Yeah.
>> Could make anything happen.
>> Yeah, anything could happen. We'll get to that later. But first, the voice mails.
>> All right. Let's go to the phones and our first caller, we'll call it Rachel is allergic to a few things and has a perspective on the Wi-Fi allergy story.
>> Hi Buzz team, this is Rachel, I was just listening to episode 733 and I heard you talking about the ridiculous proposal to ban Wi-Fi in New Mexico due to allergies and all I can think of is that I am highly allergic to flowers and perfume and pretty much trees, grass and I don't see any movements to ban those things in public forums and I know there are masses of people allergic to those things as well, but I don't see why an exception should be made for Wi-Fi. I mean the -- for me is I have to take Allegro and deal with it on my own and they should be asked to do the same. Thanks.
>> That seems like a reasonable position. It was like, if there is a Wi-Fi effect, medical effect to Wi-Fi.
>> Right and we'll talk a little more about that.
>> You shouldn't ban Wi-Fi. You should just put warnings out or whatever.
>> Figure out a way to treat it.
>> However, I guess the response to that would be...
>> I don't know.
>> Pollen is natural.
>> Right.
>> There's nothing you can do to stop it.
>> When I say natural, it's like it's not created man. Man is also natural, so you could take issue with that statement too if you want. But, you know, it's not like there's some guy pumping out pollen.
>> Ha-ha.
>> It's just in the air. Whereas, Wi-Fi, we have control over.
>> Right.
>> We could stop Wi-Fi if we want.
>> Right.
>> Wi-Fi doesn't grow on trees.
>> But, that's just -- I'm actually with Rachel on this one.
>> I'm kind of scared to keep talking about it. So, yesterday, we asked, we talked about the -- all the chips and the -- and the flash devices and then we said, hey, do you think we should get Geek out more on the show. Well, we have a response.
>> Hey guys, Jason Howell, the other Jason Howell from Southern California. Just listened to episode number 734 where you guys Geek Out and I didn't feel like sending you an email so I called you and I would like you guys to Geek Out a lot more. Love your show.
>> We've probably got one about 6 emails.
>> Yeah, 6 for Geek Out more and one email...
>> Yeah.
>> That said don't.
>> We're going to hear the Geek Out.
>> Luckily, really even when we do Geek Out, we're so probably gonna talk about Aliens, so.
>> Right. It's a nice balance.
>> There's a little something for everyone.
>> Yes, a little bit for everyone.
>> Yeah.
>> And I believe our final caller has a question for me.
>> Hey Buzz Country. This is Jerry from Indiana. I was just listening to episode 732 and Tom, I'm wondering, according to this underground rollercoaster that you're supposed to get scared of. I hate the podcast, take that.
>> Hate the podcast.
>> No thanks for calling. The underground rollercoaster that I was speaking of was called Fire-in-the-Hole was part of the silver dollar springs amusement park in Salvador City Amusement Park.
>> How [inaudible].
>> And the [inaudible].
>> Wow.
>> Salvador City was...
>> It was an actually an underground roller coaster.
>> I don't know if it was technically underground.
>> Or was it like they built up a mountain and put it inside [inaudible].
>> But when you went in you had to go down to get to the roller coaster, so it may have been above ground bring you up.
>> Fire in the hole.
>> Oh yeah. I'm gonna go like, a big no to that. Big no thank you.
>> Yes, I was too scared my sister loved to go on it. I was too scared to go in it because I was claustrophobic. Yes, when I was 6 years old.
>> Knowing that you're underground.
>> Yeah.
>> Exciting family ride. All right on to the emails, Ryan...
>> I can't believe they're still around.
>> Wrote in and said, hey [inaudible] just listening to podcast was stoked to hear you all talk about my submission to Slashdot about the Nano Processor. That was also my article on the processor over a PC Perspective.
>> Beautiful.
>> Awesome.
>> You will see it's a plug outside and see what if you want. It also uses in having more Geek Out sessions, which apparently we are. And you want someone on the phone to talk about that kind of thing, let me know. Dude, awesome.
>> That great.
>> Yeah.
>> A shroud out to you.
>> Ha, ha, ha. I hope it's shrew.
>> I mentioned this briefly earlier about the Wiki history. We got this email from Griffin [presumed spelling] in Israel. He said, I've been listening to you for three months now I found something interesting and funny to share. Wiki history by Desmond Warzel at biz and apex dot com we'll throw the link of BOL dotCNET.com. Wikis and think about all those Wiki pages that are constantly being revised because of conflicting POVs. Now thinks about the possibility that there really is an open source time travel association in the future that is actually constantly re-editing our history a la Wikipedia.
>> Right.
>> Awesome.
>> Awesome and so the page. The page is like it's got a bunch of entries, for example 11152104 reposting my first temporal excursion from 3 and fighter 69, since joining IATT have just returned from 1936 Berlin having taken a place of one of Lenny Rosenthal cameraman and Assassinated Adolf Hitler during the opening of the Olympics game. Let the free world rejoice.
>> At 1457 silver fox 316 wrote back from 1936 Berlin incapacitated freedom fighter 69 before it could pull its little stunt. Freedom Fighter 69 as you are new member, please read IATT Bulletin 1147 regarding the killing of Hitler before your next excursion. Failure to do so may result in your expulsion from you Biolaw 223.
>> And 180659, Big Show wrote take it easy on the kids over Fox 360 and everybody kills Hitler on the first trip.
>> Snoop.
>> It always gets eviction in a few minutes. What's the harm?
>> Time travel is confusing.
>> And then it goes on to say...
>> It's so awesome.
>> Thank you for sending us to us because this is fantastic. This is fun.
>> It is really fun and it seems to be the whole entire joke of the page. It was just like people posting...
>> Joke?
>> and killed [inaudible]
>> Molly, joke?
>> I'm in log.
>> You mean reproduce the real log in history.
>> That's all. That's awesome. Tessa from Allen Texas wrote in and said, I finally have a reason to write. Okay, now that that's out of the way, my fiancee and I recently bought the Asus CPC900 with Linux. The main reason is to use it on our destination wedding trip to Saint Thomas. We both have worked laptops, but neither of us wants to take them as they don't belong to us and are freaking heavy.
>> eeE PC's are good in paradise, I've heard.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah.
>> Where'd you hear that?
>> Prove it.
>> Right.
>> Paradise device. That's awesome to that is actually, that is a very good reason to buy an eeE PC.
>> Yeah.
>> If you -- you and your partner...
>> Travel.
>> You've all have work PCs or work laptops, then you could buy this little juicy for 300 bucks.
>> Just take it with you.
>> Merlin Matt was on CNET Live yesterday. MacBook Air loves it.
>> Oh really?
>> Yeah.
>> He digs it. Diggs it well.
>> All right man, explain it to me.
>> I don't remember.
>> Obviously it didn't work.
>> I'm not -- he was convincing
>> He was gonna be...
>> Yeah, I just don't know.
>> Sandy wrote in and said another interesting tech development. He loves hearing the soundtrack to the movie, right. It's consistent, audible and it was just like real life. Not anymore. Now movie companies have decided to randomly silence parts of their movies to deter pirates who might be sitting in the audience making illegal copies. Apparently, this is the latest twist in DRM Watermarking, but unlike other tech mix it is not transference to the consumer and it's used on the current darling big blog buster movie Indian Jones, Kingdom of the -- I can't stop putting aliens in the movie Spielberg.
>> Shhh. Rude.
>> Oops.
>> Geez. I can do better sound production at home with my own YouTube and YouStream videos with just iMovie Logic Pro8 to MacBook Pro. I went to see Indiana Jones and I noticed the sound drop and I just thought, oh this movie theater with the groove it's like kind of going downhill.
>> When you're shopping out of piece from content, that's not water marking.
>> No.
>> That's destroying.
>> That is in fact destroying.
>> That is inhibiting. People that paid and what did you pay for your movie with you went in?
>> I don't know, maybe 60 bucks.
>> Yeah, pretty much, dude. This is ...
>> You know, pretty much.
>> This is unbelievable. Someone wrote in to Boing-boing [presumed spelling] and said, while it read a notice posted by the box office that Paramount hasn't -- 'cause I -- when we first read these emails like no...
>> I was like, yeah, totally.
>> I read a notice posted by the box office that Paramount has intentionally silenced bits of the sound track of Indiana Jones and the bloody blah, blah. In order to deter entrap piracy to acknowledge that the momentary silence is were annoying but it was out of their control.
>> In order to track piracy, so as each theater getting a different segment of the movie blocked out, so that when they go online and they find a chunk missing from the movie, they're like oh that 15 minutes' in...
>> For movies like, [inaudible] over here.
>> You have to sound for 10 seconds.
>> I have -- I choose to believe that we are nearing the tipping point in the insane war against piracy because that is the only way that I can maintain my sanity in the face of the like, you have to search iPods for infringing movies and Revision3 gets taken down by some freaking lunatic vigilante company and you blank out parts of a movie to keep you from recording.
>> Wow, yeah.
>> Like are you joking?
>> Yeah, these are the tough time.
>> This is really what we have come to. There's really no way that we can continue it along this path for very much longer before consumers are like, yeah, leap and brick.
>> There's gonna be a Boston G party.
>> Forget it.
>> Of intellectual property.
>> There is. There has got to be a revolt because this is just lunacris. Ahh, what's next?
>> Keep or toss.
>> Oh yeah.
>> What's your email?
>> Okay. Annie [presumed spelling] of Colorado wrote in and said hey guys, it's Annie of Colorado. Forever long time listener caller -- that's totally true. First and foremost, thanks Tom for introducing me to userfriendly.org. Loved it and without his mentioning I would never have submitted, keep or toss.org to them a few weeks ago. Secondly, I'm so glad you liked it. You've got my audience perfectly. More importantly, build the site well enough that on Dream Host it had no issue with the traffic.
>> All right.
>> That's outstanding dude.
>> Wow. Buzz Out Loud is everywhere.
>> That's cool.
>> Like there's a Buzz Out Loud person everywhere.
>> It's really those, I had no idea that was alien in Colorado.
>> I know.
>> Kind of moment.
>> Who built it and posted it to the site that you mentioned like circle of life people.
>> Okay, question for you guys. Keep or toss, a Nintendo virtual Boy. Keep?
>> Keep.
>> I'd say keep.
>> What's that? Virtual boy?
>> Yeah, the virtual boy. The virtual, the goggles, they were the old school like 3D, Nintendo game that totally didn't catch on at all.
>> Dr. Mark wrote in and said, he had a response to Dr. Rob pulling rank Dr. Markus a medical doctor, an allergist in Australia. And he says that, you know what, I actually have seen some electro-sensitivity in my time.
>> Electro magnetic reactions.
>> To guy who is doing the best work in this area over here is formerly [inaudible] chief health officer. [Inaudible] obviously the big Telco over in Australia. He said the odd reaction to EMR appears to be real and is certainly interesting. Getting enough people's stats dictate that some would react to things that most of us do not notice. When I was in med school in the 70's here in Australia, our professor of Medicine told us that asthma was best treated with valium for the mother of the time seem with kid with asthma. So that's obviously changed. Here's a story. I patient from outside Sydney visited for allergen testing. He said he was EMR sensitive to Wi-Fi and Dr. Mark claims that when he would turn off his Wi-Fi reception in the laptop that symptoms would disappear and when turn it back on, the symptoms would reappear and he would be able to just control him from his laptops.
>> Yeah, he said no asthma or rashes, just some scrambled brain, language deterioration, etcetera I could turn him off and all.
>> Enable allergy, click.
>> It is pretty interesting, he said and then he said this patient...
>> Not funny if you get the allergies.
>> No, not at all.
>> Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of things that does make us say, all right, you know I mean this...
>> Well, I think that we were saying was don't just say I don't understand this technology and therefore it must be bad which I'm sure not all of those people were saying, but definitely and that definitely came off, which is like we don't understand this and so we must stop it.
>> Yeah.
>> And we should ban it.
>> Well, and we should ban Wi-Fi, but actually it does sound like in this case, like this patient went and saw that [inaudible]. I can't believe we're like reopening some can of worms, but this patient then went and saw that [inaudible] guy in Melbourne and the response was to a very specific frequency range across the 80211 BNG range. No problem with 50 or 60 hertz. So, no problem with just all the general radio waves that have been flooding us for a hundred years.
>> So if anybody can corroborate this would be interesting to hear more along these lines.
>> Yeah, yeah, that's very interesting.
>> Very intriguing.
>> Should they have to get rid of Wi-Fi, I don't know.
>> Over to you Molly.
>> Rick from New York City wrote in and said hey just when we thought that DVD format war's over and used can heave a sign of relief, Toshiba has apparently announced that it is working on an extension to the DVD format, which will offer video quality.
>> Or an ELOI
>> Comparable to that produced by Blu-ray and HD-DVD disc.
>> Toshiba should totally get into the HD video business. Don't you think that will be a good idea.
>> No they're not a good at it.
>> They tried that one.
>> If I was to looking at their resume I would hire and...
>> Okay, tell us about this because this sounds familiar.
>> It does, it does a little bit. Let's see if you recognize where you think this might be coming from. This new DVD format will offer video quality comparable to that produced by Blu-ray in HF-DVD disc according to Toshiba. The Japanese Daily [inaudible] reported that Toshiba began -- to begin...
>> Plans to begin.
>> Thank you. Selling DVD players based on the new technology within 6months it would be backwards compatible with standards DVD disc and its price will be lower than Blu-ray.
>> HDVMD anyone?
>> That's what I'm thinking.
>> Possibly so.
>> If you don't know what we're talking about this sort, HDVMD, it's Molly's High Def Disc of choice.
>> It's my high-def dark horse. They're going to win. Some one in the chat room by the way said she can do the Japanese but not the plans to begin. It's like a little...
>> That's harder.
>> It's a sodafed short.
>> [Inaudible] is the sponsor of the [inaudible] giants by the way.
>> So awesome.
>> Big, big media company over there.
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