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11 troubled Web companies: The next Kozmos?

Posted by Rafe Needleman
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"We are going to lose some good companies." That's the warning cry from investors in tech these days.

Some we won't miss, of course: the lame, me-too, or single-featured "products" masquerading as businesses. But be prepared. Some Web 2.0 start-ups that are well-loved by many are in serious danger of falling off the cliff.

The problem is that being loved is no guarantee for success. Even being used isn't enough. Remember Kozmo, the munchie messenger service from the last bubble? Not a person who used it didn't love it. In the interest of building a user base, the company was OK with losing money on every transaction in its early days. But when the time came for it to become a real business, it was too late. It couldn't transition to a viable company, and it folded. It was a tragedy.

Here, in no particular order, are 11 online services companies that could face a similar fate. Several of them are 2008 Webware 100 winners. Like I said, popularity isn't enough.

Twitter


Although well-used by many and even relied upon by some (like me), Twitter has yet to turn on a revenue model. It's not like the company would lose users, if it set up a minor advertising strategy as a test; people want to see the company make some money. Please, Twitter, turn on the revenue before it's too late.

Meebo


This is one of the coolest online communication companies I've seen. I like its products and services. But the revenues for running branded chat rooms cannot be all that large. Meebo belongs under the wing of a larger company like Facebook or Microsoft, but with Meebo's expensive valuation and the coming cutback in M&A, I fear that its exits may be blocked.

TripIt


A very useful service for organizing travel information. Wait, travel? Who's going to be traveling more often during the economic storm we're heading into? People are going to sit at home on their mattresses filled with cash, teleconference instead of go on business trips, and take vacations in their backyards. I fear for this company and other clever travel start-ups.

Zillow


The real-estate site's revenue model is advertising. Real estate and bank advertising. Unless the real-estate research site starts charging for foreclosure listings, I don't see it doing too well in a hunkered-down economy, in which people are trying to hold on to their homes for dear life, not upgrade.

Pandora


People love this product. It helps them find music they like. What's wrong with that? Here's what: unfavorable royalty rates could make it too expensive to run. Survival depends on ongoing negotiations with the music industrial complex. They appear to be going well, but the company is very exposed.

Second Life


The Web interface and social network of the future. Except that it's expensive to run, hard to use, and suffers from empty-restaurant syndrome.

Skype


The revolutionary VoIP service was acquired by eBay, which someday may be seen as its downfall. A noncore service to the auction site, eBay may well want to spin off Skype to maintain focus. But who would buy it at the valuation that would make eBay stockholders comfortable?

Ask


Why isn't it dead yet? It's really a good search engine, and even a small piece of the search economy can generate significant revenues. But running fourth place in a three-horse race is not a good position to be in when the costs of competing are high, as they are in the search market.

DailyMotion


This popular mostly European video-sharing site isn't under the protection of a major moneymaker like YouTube is, and it hasn't yet found a way to offset its streaming costs with advertising revenue.

Netvibes


Here's another product I have used and still like a great deal (occasional frustrating slowdowns notwithstanding), but that has a limited upside as a standalone business.

Netvibes' much smaller competitor, Pageflakes, was acquired earlier this year, and that's what needs to happen with Netvibes. But media companies--the natural acquirers for Netvibes--are about to get hammered by a retrenching advertising market, and that may spell the end of Netvibes' survival plan. (The upcoming release of a Facebook product might help growth, but I don't think that's the real issue Netvibes is facing.)

MySpace


Wounded. Although it's generating a lot of revenue, and under the aegis of Rupert Murdoch, the notoriously ruthless businessman could easily cut loose this social network of yesterday. The momentum is certainly not with this one. This item has been updated from the original post.

See also: The tech downturn: How long and how bad?

And for ongoing coverage: Tough times for tech

Rafe Needleman writes about start-ups, new technologies, and Web 2.0 products, as editor of CNET's Webware. E-mail Rafe.
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by honeyboner October 10, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
Wait a sec there, Fox Interactive says that Myspace revenue is somewhere south of a billion dollars. All things considered, it's hard to call this one the 'walking dead' even if Rupert Murdoch cuts it loose. Myspace like everyone else will have to struggle to remain/become profitable again but that doesn`t mean that you can count them for dead.
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by Arrgster October 10, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
I have a hard time believing myspace is walking dead. I use it everyday along with 3 of my roommates. I also have 200 active friends and just added three this week. I have no intention of switching to facebook and honestly don't like the facebook interface.

My top three sites go : igoogle, myspace, my bank. after that it's cnn and a few other news sites..
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by rafe October 10, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
You guys are right. I have updated the MySpace item.
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by stigmattaman October 10, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
Have to agree with them on the MySpace - Fox seems to have monetized it a lot better than Facebook, even if they're soon to be losing on traffic. Even if Facebook's ahead in users, MySpace still has a ton of users.
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by brian.lee October 10, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
I agree with the skype comment it was a bad move by eBay... I hope eBay gives it a good home maybe google will buy it. I use it alot for international calls much easier than buying a calling card and your minutes don't expire.
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by evanwolf October 10, 2008 11:32 PM PDT
Rafe, I don't see how Skype fits on this list. It's on track to sell $500 million in services this year and it's still in double digit growth. Bad times make Skype's low costs (one tenth of your landline service) look even more attractive. Bad times also increase the value of personal and business relationships, and Skype remains the largest video talk network.
by JohnBarbagallo October 10, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
You won't see Facebook in even remote trouble yet...they're still walking very tall...
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by GeminiGuy525 October 10, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
People shouldn't listen to his guy much.
He put Myspace on this list.
Rafe's just trying to get readers to respond and start talking about him.
MySpace isn?t going anywhere and is central to Rupert Murdoch?s internet plans for the future.
Rafe loses a lot of credibility and proved he?s just out to cause a reaction when he put Myspace on the list.
IMHO
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by lacykemp October 10, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
I've never understood Second Life and it's always seemed super buggy. It was a cool idea and companies definitely got on board but I'd have to think they'd be seeking a larger audience and better return on investment in the "first life" as opposed to this weird virtual world that seems to be having a serious population scare.
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by rmesler October 10, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
Second Life is still around?

And speaking of Kozmo... a "where are they now" article reported that one of its founders, Yong Kang, moved on to become an investment banker at Lehman Brothers. Yikes.
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by RighteousSoutherner October 10, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
What's with the anti-Murdoch quip? I'm certain there are a few ruthless leaders at CBS or at least was there. Clue, I'd RATHER not say.
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by michaelportent October 10, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
The only ones I'd miss out of this whole bunch are Meebo and Pandora.
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by TechOG October 10, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
Nice article. I'd like to hear about the rest of the technology deadpool (software, consumer, hardware, networking, carriers). The web won't be the only ones to get hit hard by the new economic realities.
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by JimMcDish October 10, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
MySpace ROCKS dude. They better not get rid of MySpace!

www.privacy-center.ru.tc
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by Daniel_Tunkelang October 10, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
Like many, I'm not sure how popular Twitter would be if it started sending ads out as tweets. Perhaps they could go freemium, making the web-based interface ad-supported and charging for API-based access. Though it may be a bit late to put the cat back in the bag, since everyone has gotten used to free. Still, the party can't go on indefinitely.
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by Torley October 10, 2008 8:18 PM PDT
@Rafe: Friendly greetings! The mention of Second Life is contradictory and inaccurate: Second Life interfaces with the web and has a website, but it's not restricted to being a "Web company", it's a virtual world.

"Expensive to run" should be clarified ? I previously debunked some fallacies @ http://torley.com/debunking-mindjunk-about-the-cost-of-second-lifes-visual-quality

I definitely agree about continuing to improve ease-of-use, but again, specific suggestions here ? and for most of the sites ? would've helped boost understanding, raise interest, and add contextual value.

"Empty-restaurant syndrome" might've been more true a couple years ago, but you're more aware of this because it's more social than surfing the web (and not usually knowing who else is watching the same page).

I find it hard to be alone in SL nowadays, and popular events like Burning Life have been packed with people. Infact, I heard many observations that it was too crowded, and many concerts, gameshows, and other events are like that. This is in part thanks to talented promoters (web parallel: SEO). Also see: http://www.flickr.com/groups/burninglife/

Disclosure: I work for Linden Lab and am posting this to help improve info. More about me @ http://torley.com :)
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by Torley October 10, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
BTW, looks like em dashes are being turned into "?" so I'll remember to use "--" until it's fixed. Please check your character encoding. ;)
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by renoir October 10, 2008 9:14 PM PDT
This is a good piece of <a href="http://netpaths.net/seo">digg bait</a>, but has no basis in reality.

Twitter is a massive site that is cheap to run and has an addicted fan base. They aren't going anywhere.

Zillow provides a valuable service and homeowners will be checking their home prices like they check the stock market to see which one rebounds first.

Myspace failing? Microsoft will fail before teens stop posting compromising pictures of themselves online.

I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
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by mikedrupert October 10, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
Rafe,

While I do agree with your list I can't believe that you chose to put Myspace on the list over Facebook! How in God's name could you say that Mysapce might be gone and yet facebook, a company that's bleeding money and has no business model in sight and won't have one for 3 more years, is not!

Please explain that one because I'm now starting to doubt your credibility.

best,

Mike
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by spark9991 October 10, 2008 11:52 PM PDT
Rafe, i don't use any of these you mention, they are not "needed" services. Even before the credit crunch I didn't see a need for any of them. I tried MySpace and it was too cluttered. Twitter was a waste of time: "hey, I'm brushing my teeth now!" tweet tweet. Come on, these are all for high school kids with too much time on their hands (and marketing sellouts who believe they need to tweet to be "popular").
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by spark9991 October 10, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
Rafe, i don't use any of these you mention, they are not "needed" services. Even before the credit crunch I didn't see a need for any of them. I tried MySpace and it was too cluttered. Twitter was a waste of time: "hey, I'm brushing my teeth now!" tweet tweet. Come on, these are all for high school kids with too much time on their hands (and marketing sellouts who believe they need to tweet to be "popular").
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