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September 30, 2008 3:35 PM PDT

Bill would limit Homeland Security laptop searches

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The Homeland Security Department has declared its right to seize laptops at the U.S. border indefinitely, but legislation introduced Thursday is intended to curb that power.

U.S. Sens. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), and Rep. Adam Smith, (D-Wash.), introduced the Travelers Privacy Protection Act in response to the DHS policy allowing customs agents to detain a traveler's laptop for an unspecified period of time to review its contents, even absent of individualized suspicion.

"Most Americans would be shocked to learn that upon their return to the U.S. from traveling abroad, the government could demand the password to their laptop, hold it for as long as it wants, pore over their documents, e-mails, and photographs, and examine which Web sites they visited--all without any suggestion of wrongdoing," Feingold said. "Focusing our limited law enforcement resources on law-abiding Americans who present no basis for suspicion does not make us any safer and is a gross violation of privacy."

The legislation would require DHS to form reasonable suspicion of illegal activity before searching electronic devices carried by U.S. residents. The DHS would also be required to provide probable cause and a warrant or court order to hold such a device for more than 24 hours. The bill also limits what information acquired through electronic searches the DHS can disclose, and it requires the department to report on its border searches to Congress.

The DHS refused to send a witness to a Senate hearing in June, chaired by Feingold, regarding searches of electronic devices, but it provided a written statement defending its policy. A ruling in April by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals also defended the agency's right to conduct the searches without reasonable suspicion.

Similar bills, such as the Securing Our Borders and Our Data Act and the Border Security Search Accountability Act, have been introduced this year in the House.

Stephanie Condon is a staff writer for CNET News focused on the intersection of technology and politics. She is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail Stephanie.
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by Pete Bardo September 30, 2008 3:57 PM PDT
I thought the Constitution protected us against unreasonable search and seizure of personal property. I guess DHS considers themselves above the Constitution. Not only do they want to search and or seize your laptop, and your cell phone, they want to keep it for an unspecified period of time. This is not only unreasonable for US citizens, it is unreasonable for anyone visiting the US. And we do this in the name of freedom? It's ridiculous, it's absurd, and it should be illegal. That the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld their right and authority to this is even more absurd. To think that we can defend freedom by limiting our own is a popular idea right now, but popularity does not make it right.

If this bill only protects US citizens returning to this country it does not go far enough. As the defender of freedom worldwide, we must be the shining example of freedom. Simply saying we are defending freedom is not enough. We must also act in defense of freedom. That means defending against DHS and any other government or non-government agency that would seek to reduce our freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.

When we give up our freedoms to defend against terrorists, the terrorists have already won the battle.
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by Galaxy5 September 30, 2008 9:50 PM PDT
"I guess DHS considers themselves above the Constitution. "

No, just their Republican bosses.

And Facebook just hired one of them - one of the most shrewd of them - as its general counsel.

Be afraid for your data, folks.
by mbenedict September 30, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
@Peter Bardo:

If you value the constitution, then maybe it's best you study it. Read up on the Fourth Amendment and why the so called "Border Search Exception" is not only reasonable, but necessary to protect the country's sovereignty.
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by Lerianis September 30, 2008 9:12 PM PDT
It is not necessary to 'protect the country's sovereignty'. That is a ******** argument made by people who think that spies are, every day, sneaking things out of the United States. Not anymore, bubu! With the internet, there is absolutely NO reason to have to do that anymore. Just grab a file, zip, 7zip, etc. it multiple times with passwords..... BOOM! Send it out of the country!

There isn't even any reason to steal components of missile systems, etc. anymore. Just get the schematics, do the above, send them to China, Russia, Iran..... BOOM! We have a severe problem on our hands.
by honorable1 October 1, 2008 5:17 AM PDT
So using your fallacious argument, it should be perfectly reasonable to search your PC or Laptop whether you leave the US or not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that in 2 seconds you can transmit/receive data from anywhere in the world without physically being there. What's the difference? Should the feds be allowed to look at my PC anytime they wish?

Let them try. I forsee alot of 'missing' federal agents.
by Solaris_User September 30, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
Does the bill's text contain the words.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Persons, houses, papers, and effects means your laptop and your data.
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by Solaris_User September 30, 2008 5:24 PM PDT
Does the bill's text contain the words.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Persons, houses, papers, and effects means your laptop and your data.
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by mailbox001 September 30, 2008 5:30 PM PDT
The Constitution only applies within the borders of the US. When International travelers come to the US, the Custom area is technically not the US until they get passed the border.
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by mattumanu September 30, 2008 6:06 PM PDT
The Constitution of the United States applies to citizens, not to borders mailbox001.

The problem with the DHS seizing laptops and keeping them is they do so while violating all public standards of what is reasonable. No government should be allowed to seize property without notice. Probably cause must be shown before any seizure of property can take place and that probably cause must me able to hold up under scrutiny.

Otherwise we're left with someone's "gut feeling", and scientifically speaking, gut feelings are unreliable. Do any of you want your property taken from you on a "gut feeling"?
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by n3td3v September 30, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
So the bad guys will stop taking laptops on the planes, and only the good guys will have their laptops seized.

What another wonderfully crap and pointless new idea by the department of homeland stupidity.
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by tejah79 September 30, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
It's not DHS, it's Bush and the powers that be doing this. They are confusing US citizens and filling them with un warranted fear to began taking our rights away, Star by Star and Stripe by Stripe.

America.......America.....GOD shed his grace on Thee.
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by Lerianis September 30, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
Actually, 'god' (the imaginary figure that doesn't exist) is the damn problem! Without religion, we would not have any terrorists anymore, because NO ONE would be able to justify forcing their morality or way of living on someone else, because everyone would be taught that they are no better and no worse than anyone else.
by honorable1 October 1, 2008 5:14 AM PDT
tejah79: your knowledge of facts is less than elementary. You should think for yourself and stop spouting the standard liberal whine about "it must be Bush's fault". YES, I will agree that Bush has taken us a step closer to tyranny....but..the TRUTH is that CONGRESS has been crapping on the Consitution for decades and gets away with it because they pay lip service to its clear meaning while pointing to the "children" or "terrorists" or "economy" or "insert calamity here". And the average jow with an IQ less than 100 has allowed themselves to be socially engineered to believe lies. Those who would give up essential liberty for the prmoise of peace and safety deserve the tyranny they inevitibly get.
CONGRESS has the power, NOT the president. VOTE (WIPE) THEM OUT, ALL OF THEM.
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by honorable1 October 1, 2008 5:21 AM PDT
Oh yes, God removed his hand of grace and protection from AmeriKa long ago. We are now 'enjoying' , and perversely, celebrating, the Godless society that is the result.
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by Anon08 October 1, 2008 6:26 AM PDT
Um....what does God have to do with this topic? With all due respect to whatever your religious beliefs may be, this is about unlawful search and seizure of a citizen's personal property at the border, not whether America is a 'godless' nation. Freedom OF religion should also include freedom FROM religion, if an individual so chooses, and our founders recognized this when they formally separated church and state.

I agree with the first post: when we sacrifice our individual freedoms, the terrorists have won.

Our individual liberty, our right to speak freely and openly without reprisal, our right to disagree with our government, our privacy - these are the things that make America a great place. When we are ruled by fear instead of reason, and disagreement with our current government's policies becomes 'unpatriotic' or 'anti-American', we've lost sight of who we are. To reduce discussion of current topics to some kind of ideological battle of the righteous conservatives vs. the godless liberals - or however you want to divide it up and label it - oversimplifies the very real challenges we face right now and reduces the dialogue to finger-pointing and name-calling. We can all do better.
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by Solaris_User October 1, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
I think we are starting to see in America how other free nations have become tyrannical hell holes in the past. It's not like people living in the democratically elected German parliamentary government wanted fascism or world war.. their government gave that to them.

Mattumanu you are quite wrong.

The Constitution does not "give" citizens rights. Constitutional rights are negative rights (look that up.) The Constitution "protects" the rights you already had against government abuse. If we believe rights are negative rights, and they do not come from a government of any kind, than all people of all nations have exactly the same rights you do.. regardless if the country they are in currently infringes upon that right. To that end the Constitution also says it applies to "people" not "citizens".

You can believe otherwise if you like... but you would not be believing in the Lockean theory of rights that the Constitution is based on. (And if you don't agree with that.. The Declaration of Independence itself contains word for word reference to the work of John Locke himself.)
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by inezcross October 2, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
When people travel out of the country, they bring back items that are not allowed in the USA. That is why you have Customs check your bags. Computers are like those bags that carry items not allowed in the USA.....including but not limited to child porn. Customs can not tell right away weather you are a "law-abiding Americans" as suggested in the article.
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by honorable1 October 2, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
Anon08: Well Anon...If you bothered to read you would see that God has everythign to do with the satement made by Tejah79. Which, if you weren't so busy needling in on someone else's 'conversation' you would have realized. Whay don't you fins somewhere else to stir pots?

And, your argument is logically flawed regarding freedom. You cannot logically have freedom TO and freedom FROM at the same time. They are diametrically oppsed concepts. But I guess you were so angry that someone used the term "liberal' that it upset you (therefore you are very likely to be a liberal) just had to open mouth, inssert foot with illogical non-sense.

Enjoy your 'freedom FROM' while you still think you have it.
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